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how you do it this spoke radio for the

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yeah man today's Wednesday July 19th 199

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left we're live from a bunker somewhere

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beautiful Wednesday night here in

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Southern California tonight very special

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first-time guest bernhard gunther joins

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the show lots to discuss with bernhard

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before the show and right before the

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breaking news Senator John McCain has

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been diagnosed with primary glioblastoma

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Mayo Clinic Hospital in Phoenix lab

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presence of brain cancer associated with

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aggressive tumor that forms in the

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tissue of the brain and spinal cord he

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felt foggy and and they went in and and

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that's what they found he's recovering

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family are considering all of those

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radiation and chemotherapy dude is tough

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I've always liked John McCain said that

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much worse so he if anybody is going to

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Senator John McCain so there you go

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Brian Maine also today Benedict

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but a true genius and without him

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computer systems today quite simply

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wouldn't be where they are Alan Turing

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that happy happy birthday Benedict

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ot D on this day in history it happened

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this is one of the biggest days in human

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history happened on this day in 1799

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what happened on this day during

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Napoleon's Egyptian campaign a French

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soldier discovers a black basalt slab

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inscribed with ancient writing near the

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town of Rosetta that's right the rosetta

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stone was discovered today it contained

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passenger passages written in Greek of

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course hieroglyphics and and ancient

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said that the three scripts were all of

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identical meaning solving the riddle of

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hieroglyphics that written language that

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this day in 1799 Fader fact here's

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another one man I love dropping the

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fader facts on you guys do you guys go

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out and gals go out the next day with

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write it out in the palm of your hand so

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can just whip it out on somebody do you

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you should like this one no trade Dom

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but was saved by Victor Hugo

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yeah man with this book think about that

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that's great they were going to plow

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down notre Dom for they you know it was

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a gentle ocation program in Paris and

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they needed you know they you know they

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were going to build some condos there in

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the nineteenth century but that's that's

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a fader fact they were going to tear it

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down tonight very special guest right

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here

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Bernard Gunther tomorrow night is

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another Fator night with Jon Rappoport

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and his d'amour fake news room live

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followed by open lines all night long

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what a great what a great date or night

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we had last week back to back to back to

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back to back phone calls like that with

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sightings and experiences and and

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questions

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nearly I think except for maybe one call

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all first-time callers last Thursday

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night so we'll be doing it again

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tomorrow night

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I love Thursday night and phaidor nights

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here on fade to black

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nothing celebrates an anniversary like

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getting people to cough up

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extraordinary amounts of money that's

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that's what the van diversity is for

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right which is why South bees you know

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the auction house has something special

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planned for the 48th anniversary of the

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first moon landing not Eggman something

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in my throat I don't know what that is

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it just won't stop not the 50th

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anniversary the 48th anniversary nothing

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spells special like the 48th anniversary

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right is that that's not quite gold what

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is that gold plated so anyway the moon

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landing Paolo 11 which would be on July

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20th tomorrow

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the auction Saffy's will be holding a

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space exploration themed event with

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one-of-a-kind items up for sale the most

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interesting item in the kinetic

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collection

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well there's a few but is a lunar sample

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return bag yeah complete with lunar dust

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it was used by neil armstrong to bring

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back the first moon rocks now south

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beach says that nearly all of the

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equipment from the historic mission is

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housed in the u.s. national collection

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at the smithsonian this is the only such

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artifact available for private ownership

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it's estimated to sell for between two

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and four million dollars many of these

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items come from the personal collections

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of the astronauts themselves so there

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are some unexpected items up for grabs

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ensure there are the usual autographed

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photos and books and stuff like that but

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there's also flight plans there are some

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charts signed by the astronauts pretty

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cool a small United States flag flown on

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Apollo 13 you know they flew a ton of

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those little flags up there and were

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brought back and given away and and so

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forth lots of those I think one of them

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I saw it on a oh what's the name but

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what's the name of the pawnshop Pawn

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Stars

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I think I saw woke up Lamont parm stars

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right and they have a spacesuit thermal

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cover made for Gus Grissom

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there's also hardware for sale I'll

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check this out if you've ever wanted to

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own the computer processor of a Space

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Shuttle Orbiter now is your chance you

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can go and get that alright well two

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nights ago

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Mark Dantonio was on the show and we got

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into the Apollo moon landing hoax

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it's tough for me to talk about this but

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I said it then and I'll say it again now

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I was a child of the 60s okay I was born

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in 1963 so by the time I was five six

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seven years old

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that's all the country did was watch

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stuff on the space program all the

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launches it was a great time to be alive

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it was a great time to be a kid it was a

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great time to be a boy because that's

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all we dreamed about now going through

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the generations after mine I mean if you

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were born in 1975 you just don't you

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don't get it

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that means you missed out on Skylab you

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know you missed out on everything you

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just don't you don't get it this the

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shuttle program was nothing like what we

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went through in the 60s because you had

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mercury you know single single man

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missions going up and already we had

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Gemini you know jumping up to tool

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astronauts and it was a much bigger

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rocket and and then the whole time that

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mercury in Gemini is going on the talk

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of the Apollo program and getting to the

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moon and the size of the Saturn five and

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and you know three astronauts and it was

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just commented technology and the talk

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you know he had all of the astronauts

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there wasn't a boy I maybe there were

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some girls but there wasn't a there

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wasn't a young lad in the United States

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that could not name every single

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astronaut in the program you had your

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favorite astronaut that's it was just an

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amazing time all the talk of the moon

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bases and the cartoons and the and the

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in the TV series and the movies you know

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week ahead 2x15 the x-15 and and and you

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would just look through the books and

401
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the photographs and and the planes and

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jet engines and

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spacesuits and it was just amazing

404
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hotels orbiting the Earth that was the

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next step

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this was the talk that was going on

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every single day here in the United

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States nothing better nothing I remember

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the first time I had heard about the

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Apollo hoax and I laughed I laughed that

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I just laughed I read the articles I

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looked at the picture evidence I watched

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the videos and all of it was well done

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and it was convincing but that's not

415
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what turned me around when you get

416
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propped up on that fence where you are

417
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seriously considering the greatest

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achievement in the history of man right

419
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going to another planet man and landing

420
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there hitting golf balls right and

421
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you're actually considering that it

422
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didn't happen Wow so it takes a lot more

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than I mean just to put you on the fence

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because either either I mean here are

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clearly on one side of the fence on that

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one you're just not going to go there

427
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right but it wasn't the videos and it

428
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wasn't the the photographs and if the

429
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flag was waving in the wind where

430
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there's no you know how was that all of

431
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that that's not what turned me around no

432
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not at all what turned me around was

433
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having that thought planted in my head

434
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and I just kicked back and just thought

435
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about things just thought about where we

436
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are today for me it just comes down to

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technology and now when you talk to a

438
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different theorist about this different

439
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conspiracy guys out there about this

440
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like Jay Widener he's one and and a

441
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bart's I bro another when you talk to

442
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them about this thing they're going to

443
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give you different aspects of it and

444
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that and why it happened and how it

445
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happened but it's the technology that is

446
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the thing that needs to be considered

447
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here we just couldn't have done it when

448
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you go to if you ever get a chance to go

449
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to the Smithsonian and you go there and

450
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you take a look at the capsules and you

451
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can you can go right up and you can

452
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check out Mercury Gemini and Apollo and

453
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you look at them look at them from the

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outside and you just kind of trip right

455
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what and then you look inside and the

456
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only thing and I don't care what side of

457
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the fence you're on man I don't care

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right you can be the most anti

459
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conspiracy theorist person in the world

460
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you can be the straightest laced out

461
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there but you go and you look inside

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that capsule and I guaranteed the only

463
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thing that pops in your head is we went

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there in this I was that possible well I

465
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guess they did they did it but man you

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know and you're looking around inside

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and you trip there's no technology there

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now with mercury and it's so tiny tube

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and mercury you keep you can go up you

470
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can go up to mercury and pick it up you

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could go you can move it you can pick it

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up and move it like a chair in your

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living room

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tiny right well that literally I mean

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save the email okay I can already see

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that coming now but it's tiny and

477
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there's nothing in there couple of

478
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levers a couple of little meters nothing

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in there so with mercury you were just

480
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going along for the ride you know

481
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shooting it in Gemini shooting yep going

482
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around separation going through the

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atmosphere parachute deploys and you

484
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like you're not flying anything um you

485
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may have some manual

486
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think so there was a little Jets that

487
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are you know pointing something but but

488
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basically it is what it is and same

489
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thing with Gemini Apollo a little

490
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different right here you're probably

491
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actually flying something I don't know

492
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how but the technology of that getting

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there and back is where I draw the line

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Jay Widener will say now we went to the

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moon but that was with another a

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parallel program that was running it was

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a black program running in the

498
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background you know and and the the

499
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foreground stuff was made up that was

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all shot down with Stanley Kubrick and

501
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and again I buy i buy into that to a

502
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point then there is this when Mark

503
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Dantonio came on this show and said that

504
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he recreated the moon he recreate you

505
00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:29,930
know for NASA recreated the moon dust

506
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and was able to do this and it was very

507
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convincing it yeah check it out thank

508
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:36,500
you for that look at that picture

509
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that's mercury that's the mercury

510
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capsule now look at that listen dude

511
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that's just crazy to me and seriously

512
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you when you stand next to it and you go

513
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up to it oh I just I said seriously and

514
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:00,260
serious just activated on gonna turn

515
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:03,110
that off okay you can move that thing

516
00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:05,450
around it's tiny it's tiny

517
00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:08,540
it's tiny so it comes down to technology

518
00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:11,270
so they're going to have this auction

519
00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:15,620
tomorrow at South peace and it just

520
00:26:21,550 --> 00:26:18,380
makes you wonder if any of this stuff

521
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:21,560
actually went to the moon and you're

522
00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:23,510
going to solve these and you're bidding

523
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:26,870
on something like a a moon rock sample

524
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:28,910
bag and you're going to spend two

525
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,510
million dollars on it and go bad I just

526
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:37,520
don't know all right

527
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this is paid by and that I just wanted

528
00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:41,420
to give everybody my thoughts on this I

529
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just I just

530
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:45,799
stopping trip I'm torn as an American

531
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I'm torn as a child of the 60s that went

532
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through all of the amazing events and

533
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those those things one after another and

534
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:55,730
all of these achievements that we that

535
00:27:02,440 --> 00:26:58,460
we did and finally making it to the moon

536
00:27:04,659 --> 00:27:02,450
and just just how proud I felt and and

537
00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:04,669
to be in this position now where I'm

538
00:27:10,539 --> 00:27:08,120
actually questioning my my own memories

539
00:27:13,409 --> 00:27:10,549
of my own childhood and and the Apollo

540
00:27:16,539 --> 00:27:13,419
program in Gemini I'm tripping on it

541
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:16,549
okay so there you go I was pushed out

542
00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:19,460
the fence not because of Jay Widener I

543
00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:21,080
was pushed out the fence way before that

544
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:23,000
not because of our cyber I was pushed

545
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:25,010
out the fence way before that I just

546
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:27,710
asked myself if it was possible with the

547
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:30,559
technology that we had back then and

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that's where I'm at folks save the email

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right now this is fade to black

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tonight Bernhard Gunther is with us it's

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight bernhard

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Gunther is with us we have a lot to

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mutes and munich germany moved to

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california in 1994 to study drums and

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percussion at the famous percussion

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institute of technology here in los

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angeles

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that's called TI t so that means he was

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one of those one of those guys walking

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aimlessly up and down Hollywood

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Boulevard on their way to school every

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single day but that exploration into

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rhythm in music became a journey of

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self-discovery and healing which led him

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to body work in the healing arts his

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there it is a collection of essays films

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links are over a Jimmy Church radio calm

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and I would like to welcome to for the

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first time to fade to black Bernhard

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Gunther Bernard good evening how are you

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hey Jimmy good evening thanks for having

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me on oh it's most excellent and the

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honor is all ours and before we get

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started you get the first-time guests

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disclaimer so let's get that out of the

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way which is it's

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you and I sitting on my couch talking as

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friends where the conversation starts it

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starts where it ends it ends but we're

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going to end as friends are you ready to

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go that's good okay you know where I'm

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going to start I'm going to start with P

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I T got to start with P I T you're a

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musician well it's funny because earlier

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you said to me I don't play anymore and

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that that was an awesome thing to say so

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but because because P I T MIT the

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musician Institute of Technology here in

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Los Angeles GI T is is it's famous it's

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large and you go there too first off you

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you're not a slouch if you go to P I T

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or MIT you know you know what I mean you

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are you are in pursuit of a music career

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and the talent there can be very very

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extreme and you see thee I used to live

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right there do man McCadden right

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McCadden Hollywood Boulevard I was

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walking aimlessly on hold on yeah and

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you see you see you know who's going you

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know to to MIT right because the

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drummers will be carrying drum sticks in

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their hand walking up a Hollywood

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Boulevard guitar players got their

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guitar hung over the end that up and

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down the street you know living there

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and it's it's a culture MIT is this

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crazy insane culture practicing 24 hours

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a day right going to class writing

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reading music you were one of those

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robots right yeah I mean it was intense

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the program I literally had to practice

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at least 4 to 6 hours a day just

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practicing class schooling so it's

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basically just living in my little drum

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lab and it's an amazing I'm back then I

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don't know they changed back then it was

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just a one year program in 94 95 when I

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went right

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but very intense very intense a lot of

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talent amazing teachers amazing players

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very intimidating I had not a choice but

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to just play and practice for whole year

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that was my life yeah and so and you had

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to walk around there every guitar player

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wanted to be Yngwie Malmsteen right

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right you laugh but yes exactly

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let's go big hair back then as well yes

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yes big hair hadn't died yet right and

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so did you have a band did you play with

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some guys during the the program though

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I played just of them the quote-unquote

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school bands they're just practicing

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covers and jamming with other guitar

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players and bassist and that but no like

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official band I did that after I

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graduated I played in bands in LA and

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code around and all that

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who is your who's your guide this is

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what's really funny to me with what you

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are doing today and you know being a

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percussionist and a drummer going

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through that program did you look up to

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Neil Peart I enjoyed rush but what I was

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really into it was very influenced by

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back then like the older Soundgarden

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Matt Cameron oh I know Matt really well

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yeah great drummer elephant chains right

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early then oh the older Metallica and

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tool definitely Denny carry right yeah

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he's an amazing drummer absolutely

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amazing what about Terry Bozzio

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Terry ballsy as well and then ironic I

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don't know do you know right luthier

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oh I used to work with Rey right he was

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we became really good friends he was

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teaching at when I was there at prit in

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94 and he was just a few years older

758
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than me but he says prodigy so he was

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already teaching right the metal

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workshops are always attended that right

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all the covers and HIDA came out of my

762
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private instructor for a while became

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friends were hanging out together and I

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Ray and I used to work at Guitar Center

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oh wow there you go and he's now here's

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a good gig he could corn yeah I remember

767
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,040
he came up to me goes dude I got this

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gig I'm out of here you know

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yeah ray just a really really really

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really cool dude and you would never

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know by looking at them what a monster

772
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of a drummer amazing and so humble yeah

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yeah very humble guy very cool dude so

774
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that that experience especially back

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00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:02,460
then it was a it was still pretty

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magical in LA

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you know music was very creative and

778
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:07,920
things were going on and and you were

779
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right there in the thick of it the

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reason why I bring up Neil Neil Peart is

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is that's the he was a drummer that

782
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:19,860
wrote about and writes about all of

783
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these crazy subjects that you and I are

784
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involved with today too as well and ever

785
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yeah and every drummer that I have ever

786
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known has always been just a little bit

787
00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:35,600
trippy why yes yeah you know why is that

788
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we're kind of read on our own and some

789
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,750
some musicians don't consider us

790
00:39:46,820 --> 00:39:41,760
musicians you know they all the drummer

791
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:46,830
jokes going around but maybe it's due to

792
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:49,560
the fact that you know drumming and and

793
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,050
you know practicing all this fall and

794
00:39:57,380 --> 00:39:54,240
independence that it really rewire your

795
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brain it does the rent the rhythm the

796
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constant rhythmic of you know things

797
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that go out you don't like I could drum

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circles and all of the tribal stuff and

799
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the things I go on in Africa and around

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the world of with different cultures and

801
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drumming you know think about Jamaica

802
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right getting you into that that

803
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,380
biorhythmic dream state takes you to

804
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:25,200
other realities I've always thought that

805
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that was the case absolutely I mean back

806
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then I didn't know but I was also

807
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basically very much into getting into

808
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like shamanic drumming playing myself

809
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and do trance right and for me

810
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personally there were a reason why I

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pursued drums you know I was in in

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University of Munich studying business

813
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:46,530
because I thought that's what I need to

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do because you know career sex money

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success and all that very conditioned

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but I wasn't happy and then a friend of

817
00:40:55,930 --> 00:40:54,260
mine turned me on to

818
00:40:58,210 --> 00:40:55,940
drums and I started playing drums very

819
00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:58,220
late considering at the age of 19

820
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:00,680
but the moment I sat down and had those

821
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,390
drumsticks in my hand and started

822
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:04,160
playing some rhythms that felt something

823
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:05,750
I really have never felt before like

824
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:08,330
just it puts me in the moment into the

825
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:10,520
present moment and I can express myself

826
00:41:16,270 --> 00:41:12,290
in ways I could never express myself

827
00:41:18,610 --> 00:41:16,280
emotionally and just also for processing

828
00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:18,620
the process a lot of teenage rage anger

829
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:21,140
you know all of that depression so was

830
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:24,650
very I was able to bury myself into

831
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:26,630
rhythms and just playing drums and bands

832
00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:29,450
and or by myself and it became like

833
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:31,340
almost like a quote-unquote spiritual

834
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:34,220
practice right so I was really using it

835
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:37,820
to to to process and to express myself

836
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,070
creatively in ways I couldn't do in any

837
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:42,800
other way and that was really stuff but

838
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:44,930
when I went to pee IIT obviously you

839
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:46,910
know there are a lot of amazing talents

840
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:49,010
amazing drummers who play drums at the

841
00:41:55,150 --> 00:41:52,790
age of four right so but I didn't let

842
00:41:58,060 --> 00:41:55,160
this get to me I just you know I just

843
00:41:59,950 --> 00:41:58,070
was dedicated six hours a day and now I

844
00:42:02,650 --> 00:41:59,960
got fairly well and then after the

845
00:42:05,050 --> 00:42:02,660
program I've played it a few bands in LA

846
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:05,060
here and there and and in 94 that was

847
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:06,410
right around the scene with all this

848
00:42:11,290 --> 00:42:07,970
quote-unquote new metal started like

849
00:42:15,490 --> 00:42:11,300
Korn were big to move to you know tool

850
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:15,500
as well and then you know other bands so

851
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:16,970
I played in that scene and then

852
00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:19,220
eventually formed my own band revolve

853
00:42:24,340 --> 00:42:22,220
and that was kind of like a crossover of

854
00:42:27,970 --> 00:42:24,350
electronic and progressive heavy music

855
00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:27,980
and we released one album toured around

856
00:42:33,490 --> 00:42:30,230
did the classic five guys in the van

857
00:42:37,150 --> 00:42:33,500
tour up up the west coast and down to

858
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:37,160
Mexico and did that for ten years and my

859
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:39,110
life was fully dedicated to music and

860
00:42:45,250 --> 00:42:42,290
drums now what about before we move on

861
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:45,260
because there is a direct overlap in

862
00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:48,650
your life that happens with our

863
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:51,320
community there are so many musicians in

864
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:55,370
our community that have that did the the

865
00:42:59,560 --> 00:42:57,290
evolutionary steps that you went through

866
00:43:02,980 --> 00:42:59,570
but before we go there I gotta ask you

867
00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:02,990
what about scorpions scorpions there was

868
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:05,780
my very first record my first vinyl

869
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:07,050
record was scorpion

870
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:11,640
which one love at first sting Oh mad

871
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:15,480
great album oh yeah XML yeah and now and

872
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:18,510
I got him what about Rammstein Rammstein

873
00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:20,130
that was I liked him there was just you

874
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:22,860
know they came later right right but

875
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,810
definitely the clan is kind of funny for

876
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:26,160
me to hear them because they sing in

877
00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:28,290
German right they do they thing I think

878
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:31,880
they've I remember the singer said once

879
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:35,130
he was asked will you ever do a song in

880
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:38,370
English and his answer was like we would

881
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:40,950
sound dumb yeah

882
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:43,920
the English language is dumb or it was

883
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:46,830
I'm speaking in metaphor here but that

884
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:48,630
was like his answer you know that would

885
00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:52,400
kill our music you know and he said that

886
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:55,950
you know 99% of our audience doesn't

887
00:44:00,350 --> 00:43:58,110
have a clue what we're singing about

888
00:44:02,780 --> 00:44:00,360
but leutis golf on the on the

889
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:02,790
pronunciation and the energy right right

890
00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:05,250
right Ryan Dungey man what a visually

891
00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:07,470
stunning band and you know when I found

892
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,360
out what a lot of their lyrics were

893
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:12,480
about I was like ah man it's this is

894
00:44:18,970 --> 00:44:14,900
kind of tough for me to be a fan of but

895
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:18,980
visually stunning and and very artistic

896
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:22,710
as to just an amazing band I just I just

897
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:24,780
think the world of them and and I can

898
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:27,270
already hear it now churches I knew it

899
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:30,690
man this guy is he's part of a no I'm

900
00:44:40,610 --> 00:44:35,130
not I just like music okay so it's like

901
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:40,620
music so so then you apparently did what

902
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:43,170
a lot of us do you you made a right-hand

903
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:46,740
turn in life do you do you play drums

904
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:49,560
now do you have drums at the house

905
00:44:54,350 --> 00:44:52,170
no no drumset anymore that's kind of

906
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:54,360
tough to how you need my own room and

907
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,510
you know so all of that I play hand

908
00:45:02,750 --> 00:44:59,280
drums percussion here and there right

909
00:45:04,850 --> 00:45:02,760
right so but I still I'm big I mean for

910
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,860
me like the stories goes like that I

911
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:06,960
played a lot of drums and you know and

912
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:11,970
in my early 20s up to thing 33 and bands

913
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:14,130
and this whole process like I said it

914
00:45:18,110 --> 00:45:16,200
was a deep emotional process so brought

915
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:18,120
up a lot of stuff for me like layers

916
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:20,490
after layers exploring through music and

917
00:45:23,509 --> 00:45:21,119
rhythm

918
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:23,519
and then I was just also dealing with

919
00:45:27,049 --> 00:45:25,410
depression you know like just a lot of

920
00:45:29,059 --> 00:45:27,059
stuff came up for me because I moved out

921
00:45:31,489 --> 00:45:29,069
of my parents place from eunuch at the

922
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:31,499
age of 22 straight to Hollywood which is

923
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:34,440
quite a culture cut a culture shock

924
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:37,619
price right for me anyway and then you

925
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:38,970
know in school they don't teach you how

926
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:41,609
to adjust life how to deal with your

927
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:43,710
emotions and all of that right so I was

928
00:45:47,509 --> 00:45:45,420
confronted with all of that everything

929
00:45:49,579 --> 00:45:47,519
came crashing down and I was a bit

930
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,589
disillusioned with you know the dark

931
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:51,359
side of there.they music scene the music

932
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,990
business

933
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:54,420
the whole you know everybody wants to be

934
00:45:59,059 --> 00:45:56,220
a rock stars all about the image and all

935
00:46:00,559 --> 00:45:59,069
of that and you know then we got we got

936
00:46:02,749 --> 00:46:00,569
some label interest here and there

937
00:46:05,870 --> 00:46:02,759
ironically we got the label interest

938
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:05,880
almost a deal with dr. Dre's label

939
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:08,730
aftermath records right he hidden in our

940
00:46:13,489 --> 00:46:11,339
gate I want to show but yeah for me

941
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:13,499
personally you know I just brought up a

942
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:15,150
lot so I started just questioning the

943
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:17,490
world like I needed to i dealing with

944
00:46:23,779 --> 00:46:20,460
deep depression and suffering i remember

945
00:46:25,819 --> 00:46:23,789
yeah i was waking up one morning just

946
00:46:28,579 --> 00:46:25,829
crying just didn't know what to do with

947
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:28,589
my life and you know been you know

948
00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:31,230
Australian musician I had a day job like

949
00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:32,430
part-time job at an animal hospital

950
00:46:39,279 --> 00:46:35,960
which is great I enjoy animals but still

951
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:39,289
you know hardly making ends meet and

952
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:42,420
then I just realized I needed to figure

953
00:46:47,989 --> 00:46:44,670
it myself out and you know went to a

954
00:46:50,509 --> 00:46:47,999
book store on my first initiation so to

955
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:50,519
speak into more deep of philosophy or

956
00:46:54,259 --> 00:46:52,410
life was Krishnamurti and a novena

957
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:54,269
familiar with him the philosopher and

958
00:46:58,489 --> 00:46:56,220
his book freedom from the known that

959
00:47:02,210 --> 00:46:58,499
really came soon synchronicity to me and

960
00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:02,220
that started me off and to get more into

961
00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:05,220
spirituality and more into also

962
00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:07,319
psychology I came across Carl Jung's

963
00:47:12,979 --> 00:47:10,230
work shadow work I own what's back then

964
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:12,989
and all of that and then also through

965
00:47:18,289 --> 00:47:16,200
mutual friends I was invited to go to

966
00:47:20,779 --> 00:47:18,299
the so called desert parties with it

967
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:20,789
once a month and there was my

968
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:24,359
introduction to psychedelics so I was

969
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,130
then also experimenting with that

970
00:47:29,989 --> 00:47:28,319
mushrooms and acid and whatnot and that

971
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:29,999
really opened up a whole new world of

972
00:47:34,940 --> 00:47:32,130
musically for me you know just all about

973
00:47:35,210 --> 00:47:34,950
rhythm and sound and ironically then I

974
00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:35,220
got

975
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:36,840
Thole into electronic music which are

976
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,690
totally hated in Germany they came to

977
00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:42,960
the u.s. right but it just opened up a

978
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:46,230
whole you know new reality and realized

979
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,090
like there's much more to this world and

980
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,240
reality when we've been told and taught

981
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:52,800
so and then you know it's a you know it

982
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,330
like in Joseph Campbell's

983
00:47:57,830 --> 00:47:56,160
the hero's journey once you answer the

984
00:47:59,390 --> 00:47:57,840
call they're assisting forces and

985
00:48:01,040 --> 00:47:59,400
mentors come here and come into your

986
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:01,050
life who lead year-long and bring you

987
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,170
new in turn your knowledge and back then

988
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,020
one of my roommates was a body worker

989
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:09,300
massage therapist and yoga teacher so

990
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,730
you're introduced to that in the late

991
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:14,880
90s and he taught me some things some

992
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:17,010
moves some modalities and so we

993
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:19,020
practiced on each other and I found

994
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:23,190
another talent so and then he now got

995
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:25,140
into yoga and then I started a question

996
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,990
question more and more and came across

997
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:30,000
certain work back then there was you

998
00:48:34,609 --> 00:48:31,859
know YouTube or anything so it was more

999
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:34,619
reading books and all of that right and

1000
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:37,230
one book that really really triggered me

1001
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:39,330
in the positive sense was bringers of

1002
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:42,930
the dawn by Barbara Marciniak Wow you

1003
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:45,660
took those are those are those are not

1004
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:49,020
baby steps there I mean no no no

1005
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:51,900
everything happened at once right that's

1006
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:52,980
crazy

1007
00:48:59,359 --> 00:48:55,890
I mean look unless you had some kind of

1008
00:49:01,760 --> 00:48:59,369
indoctrination or something previously

1009
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:01,770
in your life to introduce you to these

1010
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:06,060
these subjects to go from one world into

1011
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:09,540
that world so quickly I mean Joseph

1012
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:12,839
Campbell you you were definitely being

1013
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:16,880
introduced to two new things very very

1014
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:20,400
rapidly how did you deal with it

1015
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:22,170
it was tough because a lot of you know

1016
00:49:27,020 --> 00:49:25,050
it was a tough phase definitely a lot of

1017
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,030
depression suffering trial and error

1018
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,940
learning the hard way right right

1019
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:31,680
and then conflicting with you know I

1020
00:49:36,530 --> 00:49:34,650
thought I was very obsessed with drums

1021
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:36,540
and making it as a musician that I even

1022
00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:38,220
told myself literally when I moved to

1023
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:39,900
the US if I haven't made it by the age

1024
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:41,970
of 27 I'll kill myself and all of that

1025
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:45,119
right I told myself like you know right

1026
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,130
young kid

1027
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:50,400
and and our action was dealing with

1028
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:52,050
suicidal tendencies so was like

1029
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:53,640
literally out of the state of suffering

1030
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:55,560
that you know which I realized that

1031
00:49:59,360 --> 00:49:57,810
depression and suffering is not as what

1032
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,370
we are being told in our culture that

1033
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:01,680
this is the illness or disease or

1034
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:04,590
something wrong but most often a cry of

1035
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:06,780
the soul of our true self to come to the

1036
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:08,610
front and break through the condition

1037
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,410
personality and all the stuff we've been

1038
00:50:16,310 --> 00:50:13,200
told and taught in education the matrix

1039
00:50:18,860 --> 00:50:16,320
and all of that and culture and just you

1040
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:18,870
know you know the way it all came to me

1041
00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:20,430
I see there's always these Assisting

1042
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:22,470
forces I know like the right people the

1043
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:23,910
right books the right information the

1044
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:25,560
right opportunity came along and just

1045
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:28,530
was leading me along this path you know

1046
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:30,450
there's the saying tell God your plans

1047
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:31,710
and he will laugh at you on that

1048
00:50:36,910 --> 00:50:35,040
basically what happened right so I was

1049
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:36,920
just tumbling down the rabbit hole and

1050
00:50:41,660 --> 00:50:39,570
you know then I had my New Age faith as

1051
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:41,670
well took the New Age pill and found out

1052
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:43,530
the hard way in hard way as well that

1053
00:50:47,660 --> 00:50:45,270
there's a lot of deception and nonsense

1054
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:47,670
of false light teachings well it's easy

1055
00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:50,670
in when you're in Los Angeles and you

1056
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,220
start to go down these different paths

1057
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:55,920
and these warnings and certainly the

1058
00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:59,220
talk of conspiracy and underworld and

1059
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:02,880
and in your in Los Angeles Los Angeles

1060
00:51:07,850 --> 00:51:05,730
is a confirmation of everything yeah I

1061
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:07,860
mean it has everything it has everything

1062
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,040
right it can be very very frightening

1063
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:12,960
because somebody tells you some crazy

1064
00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:16,140
concept right and then you just walk

1065
00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:18,270
down the street in LA or meet somebody

1066
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:21,750
and it's confirmation of some something

1067
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,400
that somebody has just told you and

1068
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:26,220
that's also a very dangerous when you go

1069
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:27,720
down that rabbit hole and you get

1070
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:30,660
confirmation of these crazy things that

1071
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:33,900
can maybe even take you down a road you

1072
00:51:37,850 --> 00:51:36,150
don't want to go down that's true you

1073
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:37,860
can also easily get lost in a rabbit

1074
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:39,210
hole you have to either drive yourself

1075
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:42,780
mad you know like it's it's it's it's a

1076
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:44,760
and then you're also dealing with all

1077
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,380
kinds of interferences on that path

1078
00:51:51,620 --> 00:51:48,720
which I wasn't aware of back then really

1079
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:51,630
right and but luckily like you know I'm

1080
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:53,130
actually glad there was not that much

1081
00:51:56,180 --> 00:51:54,780
internet in no social media back then

1082
00:51:58,100 --> 00:51:56,190
because I really had to start in

1083
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actually read books and not just

1084
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articles or watch videos right which and

1085
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:00,930
nowaday

1086
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:02,940
the attention span seems to decreasing

1087
00:52:10,099 --> 00:52:08,130
by day so that's that really health and

1088
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:10,109
you know back that with watching VHS

1089
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:12,089
videos even back then I got into David

1090
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:13,980
Icke and one of my somebody introduced

1091
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,140
me to David Icke and had this VHS tape

1092
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:18,480
of one of his nine nine hour lectures

1093
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:21,030
based on the biggest secret of you know

1094
00:52:25,010 --> 00:52:23,250
of the world or whatever is one of his

1095
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:25,020
first books was you know so that was

1096
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:29,160
also an introduction and you know and

1097
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:31,770
then but I was always just fast it was

1098
00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:34,410
just had I feel I had the seed for

1099
00:52:39,020 --> 00:52:35,670
something else like something was

1100
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:39,030
activated like almost like something I

1101
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:43,170
brought from you know before incarnated

1102
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:45,119
got something a triggered and activated

1103
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,130
so to speak like I think we all have in

1104
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:49,440
different ways like a quote-unquote soul

1105
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:52,859
mission profile right so that came up to

1106
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:56,250
the front more and more and then you

1107
00:53:02,210 --> 00:52:59,339
know around actually at the age of 33 my

1108
00:53:03,799 --> 00:53:02,220
band broke up in my guitar player he

1109
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:03,809
actually joined static acts I don't know

1110
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:05,579
if you know that horse of course just

1111
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:07,980
yeah Kuji Fukuda is an amazing Kitab yes

1112
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:10,260
he is yeah that the huge your guitar

1113
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,210
player yeah he was a guitar player for

1114
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,920
revolve and a home I should tell you the

1115
00:53:15,890 --> 00:53:15,359
link of my benthic and he listened to

1116
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:15,900
the music

1117
00:53:20,359 --> 00:53:18,690
absolutely so he joined understand he

1118
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:20,369
had a family and kids so as it

1119
00:53:25,609 --> 00:53:23,760
he can make living playing music but you

1120
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:25,619
know at this point I was fed up with the

1121
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:28,470
music scene in LA and didn't want to

1122
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:30,089
look for another guitar player by ads

1123
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:32,730
you know it's always a pain in the butt

1124
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:36,510
so to speak and then I just realized

1125
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:38,280
okay I have this other talent for body

1126
00:53:41,539 --> 00:53:40,170
working healing work let's just focus on

1127
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:41,549
that and pursue that so I went to

1128
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:43,290
massage school went through pretty

1129
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:45,180
easily and then I focused on that really

1130
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:46,970
intensely went to different schools

1131
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,650
learned under different teachers learn

1132
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,260
different modalities moved up to Topanga

1133
00:53:57,260 --> 00:53:54,000
Canyon here and started working as a

1134
00:53:58,819 --> 00:53:57,270
body worker and living a hermit life for

1135
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:58,829
many years and I got even deeper did

1136
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:00,780
these topics and then I just started

1137
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:02,760
writing back they back then still on

1138
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:03,530
MySpace

1139
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:06,510
before there was Facebook and the reason

1140
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,950
I started writing really was just

1141
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,559
because to formulate my own thoughts to

1142
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:12,720
kind of like help to clarify all this

1143
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:14,970
information I had in my my

1144
00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:17,160
and maybe to connect to others right and

1145
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:20,280
then eventually it started my own blog

1146
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:21,960
wait of reality and just kept writing

1147
00:54:27,380 --> 00:54:23,850
and writing and then connecting the dots

1148
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:27,390
with very very different topics and it

1149
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:29,700
also kind of mirrors my work my own

1150
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:31,500
personal process because in many of my

1151
00:54:35,090 --> 00:54:33,180
writings I include my own personal

1152
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,100
process my the lessons I've learned and

1153
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:36,960
all of that my struggle and my insight

1154
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:39,870
and then connect them to bigger topics

1155
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,420
and then after a few years a good friend

1156
00:54:47,660 --> 00:54:44,640
of mine Roberto he suggested to make

1157
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:47,670
some videos out of some of my writings

1158
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:51,960
which was then the result of UFOs aliens

1159
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:54,390
of the question of contact then another

1160
00:54:58,820 --> 00:54:56,760
wash a short film no thyselves and

1161
00:55:02,750 --> 00:54:58,830
another one called love reality in a

1162
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:02,760
time of transition and we did those 60

1163
00:55:08,750 --> 00:55:06,210
years ago in 2011 how did moving to

1164
00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:08,760
Topanga help you get your feet on the

1165
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:11,460
ground because I'm just going to say

1166
00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:13,260
this for the audience Topanga here in

1167
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:15,150
Southern California could be its own

1168
00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:19,980
country okay yeah it's all I could call

1169
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:23,430
it artistic is not strong enough it is

1170
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:27,780
it's its own world but you will also if

1171
00:55:32,890 --> 00:55:30,210
that's what you want to do you are able

1172
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:32,900
to hang out with like-minded individuals

1173
00:55:39,110 --> 00:55:36,450
your neighbors and the entire community

1174
00:55:41,060 --> 00:55:39,120
is that way how did that help you get

1175
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:41,070
your feet on the ground of it for you

1176
00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:44,010
being in transition it had to have been

1177
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:46,830
just excellent absolutely I mean

1178
00:55:51,550 --> 00:55:48,390
definitely Topanga Kenny's not for

1179
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:51,560
everyone right because you're kind of

1180
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:53,640
isolated you know you have to use your

1181
00:55:57,500 --> 00:55:54,900
car whether you would have gone lets you

1182
00:55:59,800 --> 00:55:57,510
go for a hike but just being isolated

1183
00:56:03,500 --> 00:55:59,810
especially being in nature I needed that

1184
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:03,510
solitude right not only for my for the

1185
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:05,700
research and the other topics I got into

1186
00:56:11,570 --> 00:56:08,700
and but also for my own personal process

1187
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:11,580
my inner process right and just be away

1188
00:56:17,330 --> 00:56:14,450
from everyone and everything and really

1189
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:17,340
enter this new phase right and it

1190
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:19,140
happened so naturally to me I don't even

1191
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:21,420
like I played my last show I remember at

1192
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:25,200
the age of 33 someone downtown with my

1193
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:26,610
band were evolved and haven't touched

1194
00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:28,290
the drumsticks ever since

1195
00:56:33,980 --> 00:56:31,830
and that's 12 years ago but even after

1196
00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:33,990
that I didn't miss playing drums because

1197
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:36,420
for me also I realized looking back this

1198
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:38,040
whole music and drumming was actually a

1199
00:56:41,930 --> 00:56:39,660
preparation phase to kind of clear

1200
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:41,940
myself to hear myself on many levels

1201
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,770
a lot of shadow exploration just with

1202
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:45,540
music and playing drums shamanic

1203
00:56:52,820 --> 00:56:48,570
drumming and it prepared me you know not

1204
00:56:55,550 --> 00:56:52,830
only for the online work I'm doing but

1205
00:56:58,700 --> 00:56:55,560
also to become a body worker right so me

1206
00:57:00,620 --> 00:56:58,710
it is rhythm and music it's very much

1207
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,630
related to giving body work it's all

1208
00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:02,640
about rhythm when I work on somebody in

1209
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:04,830
tune it's very intuitively and tuned

1210
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:07,140
into the rhythm of the person's body the

1211
00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:08,610
rhythm of the breath the heartbeat and

1212
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:10,590
there's a more subtle rhythm as well of

1213
00:57:16,610 --> 00:57:14,430
the energy body and you know I'm big

1214
00:57:18,950 --> 00:57:16,620
into I like dancing conscious dancing as

1215
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,960
well which is still you know my closest

1216
00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:20,640
connection to rhythm they are of course

1217
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,430
Robert so to speak of obviously so at

1218
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,740
all you know this is saying you can only

1219
00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:27,480
connect the dots looking back right

1220
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:29,400
sometimes in the moment things don't

1221
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:31,050
make sense but looking back I can see

1222
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:33,300
this thread going through my life and

1223
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,010
there something else has been also

1224
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:36,720
guiding me and pushing me which is I

1225
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:38,370
feel that under my conscious awareness

1226
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:39,900
because I never planned planned

1227
00:57:45,110 --> 00:57:42,380
consciously to have what I do now as a

1228
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,120
quote-unquote career right especially

1229
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:47,040
the writing and all of that and you know

1230
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:48,540
for me personally you talked about

1231
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:52,020
conditioning like once I moved to LA you

1232
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:55,050
know and quit University of Munich I

1233
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:57,270
never ever pursued anything just for

1234
00:58:01,160 --> 00:57:59,400
money right so drumming was all about my

1235
00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:01,170
passion about my heart is like Joseph

1236
00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:02,700
Campbell said follow your bliss right

1237
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:05,550
sorry work is also love I love doing it

1238
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:07,670
right it was not about the money or just

1239
00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:11,250
writing the things that do do now on my

1240
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:13,230
website the blogs and the films it's

1241
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:15,180
just the passion like you know just

1242
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:17,220
driven by something else and I just

1243
00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:20,280
follow that well let got to take a break

1244
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:21,870
right here so let's do that

1245
00:58:27,350 --> 00:58:23,960
our guest tonight Bernhard Gunther and

1246
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:27,360
when I come back I have to ask the

1247
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:29,880
question which is you move to Topanga

1248
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:32,190
well if you do that you're also in

1249
00:58:39,020 --> 00:58:36,530
danger of never leaving the hill

1250
00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:39,030
Jessica we'll talk about that when we

1251
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:40,500
come back our guest that I burn our good

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sir I'm real Shiva church this is fade

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1349
01:03:21,330 --> 01:03:19,630
about tama hardware

1350
01:03:24,450 --> 01:03:21,340
no I'm just kidding just kidding just

1351
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:24,460
kidding just kidding so you had the

1352
01:03:33,090 --> 01:03:29,280
what's great about Topanga is it is a

1353
01:03:37,950 --> 01:03:33,100
new age artistic community into

1354
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:37,960
everything ufology crystals all the

1355
01:03:43,050 --> 01:03:40,480
metaphysical to aid it's just a magical

1356
01:03:45,330 --> 01:03:43,060
place but you also and it's confirmation

1357
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:45,340
of the matrix right there then you go up

1358
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:47,590
there you are disconnected you're off of

1359
01:03:52,170 --> 01:03:49,630
the treadmill you're out of the status

1360
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:52,180
quo you're into your own thing and

1361
01:03:56,310 --> 01:03:54,190
you're answering your own questions on

1362
01:03:58,890 --> 01:03:56,320
your journey it all happens there but

1363
01:04:00,960 --> 01:03:58,900
you don't want to be that guy up at the

1364
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:00,970
market you know you bump into and he

1365
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:04,680
says we'll then I moved here 1965 and I

1366
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:09,010
haven't left this street right in that

1367
01:04:14,850 --> 01:04:11,590
because you are disconnected from the

1368
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:14,860
matrix and it is confirmation of when

1369
01:04:20,250 --> 01:04:17,110
you are off of the hill and back into

1370
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:20,260
the madness you are definitely connected

1371
01:04:26,580 --> 01:04:22,810
and controlled so you've got to balance

1372
01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:26,590
the two do you get out of Topanga I do I

1373
01:04:30,930 --> 01:04:28,180
mean for now I've been here already now

1374
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:30,940
eleven years time goes by fatty what did

1375
01:04:37,650 --> 01:04:34,960
I just say yes and they're definitely

1376
01:04:39,090 --> 01:04:37,660
some characters here but enjoyed for me

1377
01:04:41,010 --> 01:04:39,100
personally right now it works they have

1378
01:04:43,890 --> 01:04:41,020
a nice little house and for me the key

1379
01:04:46,130 --> 01:04:43,900
is just nature right right and also I

1380
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:46,140
don't leave the cannon

1381
01:04:51,660 --> 01:04:49,450
because I work from home mm-hmm I don't

1382
01:04:54,510 --> 01:04:51,670
have to go to LA very often but lately

1383
01:04:56,910 --> 01:04:54,520
of the past few years because of my work

1384
01:04:58,530 --> 01:04:56,920
I've been invited to events and

1385
01:05:00,599 --> 01:04:58,540
conferences I've been traveling a lot

1386
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:00,609
and also I helped retreat them to route

1387
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:03,010
twice a year so it's a good home base to

1388
01:05:09,059 --> 01:05:06,400
have right now for me but I definitely

1389
01:05:12,359 --> 01:05:09,069
add you know the way my life has gone

1390
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:12,369
I've learned not to like to say learn to

1391
01:05:16,859 --> 01:05:14,890
say never say never write you never know

1392
01:05:19,260 --> 01:05:16,869
what happens it's hard for me even to

1393
01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:19,270
make long-range goals again who knows

1394
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:21,190
where we'll be what I will be doing a

1395
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:24,250
few years from now and I just followed

1396
01:05:28,170 --> 01:05:26,290
that guidance but I'm I don't feel I

1397
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,180
used to be very attached to him like

1398
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:30,640
this is it but you know I feel out some

1399
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:32,980
more you know what's coming up for me to

1400
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:36,130
expand a little and maybe travel more

1401
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:37,599
maybe I'll be living somewhere else

1402
01:05:42,839 --> 01:05:39,190
somewhere I don't know at some point

1403
01:05:47,549 --> 01:05:42,849
when you look around the world today

1404
01:05:49,819 --> 01:05:47,559
what is the confirmation to you for

1405
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:49,829
being controlled

1406
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,000
what do you mean the confirmation for

1407
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:54,160
being controlling the world out there

1408
01:06:00,930 --> 01:05:57,760
they are you know the they are being

1409
01:06:04,890 --> 01:06:00,940
controlled most of society doesn't even

1410
01:06:07,140 --> 01:06:04,900
have any clue of the manipulation from

1411
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:07,150
the man and the machine that is running

1412
01:06:13,230 --> 01:06:09,730
everything what is of what is that

1413
01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:13,240
confirmation for you well for me

1414
01:06:18,089 --> 01:06:15,430
personally coming from Europe what I see

1415
01:06:21,620 --> 01:06:18,099
here in the u.s. Americans tend to live

1416
01:06:24,809 --> 01:06:21,630
in an isolated bubble with the education

1417
01:06:27,569 --> 01:06:24,819
program and also the media which is more

1418
01:06:30,270 --> 01:06:27,579
like an entertainment show right and

1419
01:06:32,190 --> 01:06:30,280
I've noticed not in Europe everybody's

1420
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,200
travelling all the time all over most

1421
01:06:36,089 --> 01:06:34,480
people in here you know there's not

1422
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:36,099
everyone but I know a lot of Americans

1423
01:06:39,870 --> 01:06:38,170
the people who have never left the

1424
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:39,880
country right and never see for their

1425
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,770
own eyes what what's going on in other

1426
01:06:45,630 --> 01:06:43,359
countries and cultures other than what

1427
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:45,640
they get through the news and whatnot so

1428
01:06:50,250 --> 01:06:47,920
that obvious you know mind control

1429
01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:50,260
conditioning and you're right the most

1430
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:52,270
people are dreaming to be awake right

1431
01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:55,089
they're in a sleep state and under the

1432
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,849
illusion of free will but most of all I

1433
01:07:01,230 --> 01:06:59,440
feel the more you wear

1434
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,240
up and see the truth and see the matrix

1435
01:07:04,290 --> 01:07:03,280
and also work on yourself your inner

1436
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:04,300
self and work through your own

1437
01:07:08,970 --> 01:07:06,730
conditioning and mechanical behaviors

1438
01:07:11,610 --> 01:07:08,980
the more you really see it in other

1439
01:07:14,730 --> 01:07:11,620
people right how they act mechanically

1440
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:14,740
and conditioned and yours what I also

1441
01:07:18,930 --> 01:07:16,930
realize you cannot just convince people

1442
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:18,940
by information alone

1443
01:07:23,580 --> 01:07:21,130
I learned that the hard way you know

1444
01:07:25,770 --> 01:07:23,590
trying to convince people of certain

1445
01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:25,780
topics which just got me into crazy

1446
01:07:31,020 --> 01:07:28,120
situations but then the cognitive

1447
01:07:34,580 --> 01:07:31,030
dissonance kicks in right because they

1448
01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:34,590
are so chained to their own desires

1449
01:07:39,030 --> 01:07:37,390
which they have but they are not even

1450
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:39,040
their own desires because they're

1451
01:07:43,170 --> 01:07:41,170
conditioned from society from upbringing

1452
01:07:45,390 --> 01:07:43,180
from culture and all of that right so

1453
01:07:47,130 --> 01:07:45,400
they're pursuing something which is not

1454
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:47,140
actually in alignment of food they truly

1455
01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:49,690
are and that's that's how I see see that

1456
01:07:54,450 --> 01:07:52,630
conditioning right and in a very on the

1457
01:07:56,460 --> 01:07:54,460
level of consciousness and in forms of

1458
01:07:58,350 --> 01:07:56,470
mind control and it's getting even

1459
01:08:01,620 --> 01:07:58,360
crazier you know now the rise of

1460
01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:01,630
Technology transhumanism EMF and all of

1461
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:04,660
that all the radiation chemtrails and

1462
01:08:11,460 --> 01:08:08,020
whatnot and we're just you know we're

1463
01:08:15,350 --> 01:08:11,470
being kept on this lower frequency of

1464
01:08:19,650 --> 01:08:15,360
survival and material in indulgence and

1465
01:08:22,850 --> 01:08:19,660
separation and you know with our bodies

1466
01:08:26,970 --> 01:08:22,860
they are being kept you know being

1467
01:08:29,460 --> 01:08:26,980
toxified so to speak and so we can't

1468
01:08:31,290 --> 01:08:29,470
really even access our true self right

1469
01:08:33,270 --> 01:08:31,300
work on things because most people are

1470
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:33,280
so plugged in they are fighting for

1471
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:36,250
survival right and then they put

1472
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:38,050
themselves into life situations where

1473
01:08:43,860 --> 01:08:41,190
they then I had kind of stuck right so

1474
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:43,870
the older you get the harder it is

1475
01:08:48,060 --> 01:08:46,090
sometimes to break out of it depending

1476
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:48,070
your life circumstances for me

1477
01:08:53,130 --> 01:08:50,710
personally also I never had to drive I

1478
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:53,140
never had the desire of like oh I want

1479
01:08:56,790 --> 01:08:55,090
the career this money house wife kids

1480
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,800
and all of that I never had that for me

1481
01:09:01,080 --> 01:08:58,960
the main thing was what is life about

1482
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:01,090
what is truth what is what is this world

1483
01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:02,770
Who am I so it's driven by these

1484
01:09:08,910 --> 01:09:07,270
questions my whole life alright so there

1485
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:08,920
guess I feel it's an individual thing as

1486
01:09:13,490 --> 01:09:10,930
well yeah it is totally individual

1487
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:13,500
because there is nothing wrong

1488
01:09:21,059 --> 01:09:18,490
if if your goal is to have a wonderful

1489
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,069
family and provide them with with a nice

1490
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:23,920
house and drive them around in a nice

1491
01:09:31,290 --> 01:09:28,000
car but you have found your bliss in

1492
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:31,300
doing that right and you are able to

1493
01:09:36,900 --> 01:09:34,330
have the house that you want and and and

1494
01:09:39,270 --> 01:09:36,910
the happiness that is driving you and

1495
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:39,280
the family that you have found your

1496
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:41,290
bliss and you found the answers in your

1497
01:09:46,260 --> 01:09:43,420
own life and you are happy with that

1498
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:46,270
well then you found your bliss you know

1499
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:47,890
there are there are people out there

1500
01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:55,690
that that drive a 1966 classic v8 you

1501
01:10:00,780 --> 01:09:58,330
know car that they spend a lot of time

1502
01:10:04,010 --> 01:10:00,790
and money on but they have all the

1503
01:10:07,290 --> 01:10:04,020
answers to life too as well right so

1504
01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:07,300
it's not a rut yeah it's a good putt

1505
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:09,580
yeah yeah I mean you can drive around on

1506
01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:12,400
a Harley if that so drives you and still

1507
01:10:17,730 --> 01:10:14,860
have your bliss Yeah right exactly

1508
01:10:19,380 --> 01:10:17,740
that's actually you know kind of like

1509
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,390
the cornerstone of my work it's all

1510
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:21,520
about the individual right what works

1511
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,650
for me may not work for another we have

1512
01:10:26,690 --> 01:10:25,360
to respect we need to respect that

1513
01:10:29,610 --> 01:10:26,700
that's what I do in my private practice

1514
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:29,620
in coaching or processing people I have

1515
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:31,060
them to tune into their own inner

1516
01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:32,650
guidance what is right for them their

1517
01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:34,900
own bliss but also you know cutting

1518
01:10:39,330 --> 01:10:36,430
through the conditioning and it may be

1519
01:10:42,270 --> 01:10:39,340
something I cannot relate to but this is

1520
01:10:44,670 --> 01:10:42,280
his oversew path and I totally support

1521
01:10:46,530 --> 01:10:44,680
that right so I have zero judgment

1522
01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:46,540
around that you know what people's do

1523
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:48,340
with their personal lives it's just like

1524
01:10:51,690 --> 01:10:50,200
this is really the desire you have in

1525
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:51,700
the drive if you have coming from your

1526
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:54,880
true self your soul bliss so to speak or

1527
01:10:59,130 --> 01:10:57,520
is it a conditioned thing you do in

1528
01:11:01,710 --> 01:10:59,140
order to have you know appeal to other

1529
01:11:05,820 --> 01:11:01,720
status quo you know your public image or

1530
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:05,830
childhood wounding you know parent

1531
01:11:12,210 --> 01:11:09,450
issues right the lot of lot of us have

1532
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:12,220
desires from our parents taking on that

1533
01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:14,290
anody my own and so does so to speak

1534
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:18,160
that goes deep into adulthood and all of

1535
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,290
that so it's really an individual thing

1536
01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:22,960
right it's there's no this is the way so

1537
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:25,750
to speak when you first started let's go

1538
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:27,070
back to Joseph Campbell

1539
01:11:33,569 --> 01:11:30,810
second because he he has a way of

1540
01:11:37,919 --> 01:11:33,579
causing serious epiphanies and people

1541
01:11:39,899 --> 01:11:37,929
write this just and and the whole here

1542
01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:39,909
hero's journey I'm so glad to hear you

1543
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:42,280
bring that up but when you first read

1544
01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:44,290
Joseph Campbell and you read the word

1545
01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:47,409
bliss and finding your own bliss you

1546
01:11:54,330 --> 01:11:50,980
don't necessarily have a clue what he's

1547
01:11:57,359 --> 01:11:54,340
talking about at that point and then you

1548
01:11:59,970 --> 01:11:57,369
go off and then eventually find your

1549
01:12:04,169 --> 01:11:59,980
bliss I'm going to ask you now have you

1550
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:04,179
found yours yes I love what they're

1551
01:12:07,950 --> 01:12:06,369
doing and it always changes it's hot I

1552
01:12:10,770 --> 01:12:07,960
don't want you know that whole bliss

1553
01:12:13,140 --> 01:12:10,780
thing is not a definition right it's not

1554
01:12:15,390 --> 01:12:13,150
I love body bags I like this but I'm

1555
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:15,400
more than that you know it's this bliss

1556
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:17,530
is just oh this joyful engagement with

1557
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:20,590
life right right that's really on a more

1558
01:12:24,899 --> 01:12:22,420
general sense what it comes down to and

1559
01:12:28,260 --> 01:12:24,909
also it's important the all you 12

1560
01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:28,270
different steps or more than that and in

1561
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:30,070
Joseph's campus journey of the here and

1562
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:31,750
it's all about answering the call right

1563
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:33,489
getting out of the ordinary world and

1564
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,190
stepping into the adventure but there's

1565
01:12:41,609 --> 01:12:38,820
also a lot of people don't know the

1566
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:41,619
failure so to speak of refusal of the

1567
01:12:47,149 --> 01:12:44,409
call if people don't follow that call

1568
01:12:49,950 --> 01:12:47,159
out of fear out of insecurity or their

1569
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:49,960
you know being judged by others so they

1570
01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:51,880
don't hit the call so they get stuck and

1571
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:54,340
then become very unhappy but if you

1572
01:12:58,020 --> 01:12:56,110
answer the call according to Joseph

1573
01:13:01,050 --> 01:12:58,030
Kanter you're driven by a question and

1574
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:01,060
that's you embark on the quest and quest

1575
01:13:04,649 --> 01:13:02,560
comes from the word question so

1576
01:13:06,270 --> 01:13:04,659
something is within you step into the

1577
01:13:09,839 --> 01:13:06,280
unknown so you don't know really what it

1578
01:13:11,729 --> 01:13:09,849
is but you know that that leads you to

1579
01:13:13,709 --> 01:13:11,739
your bliss you find the treasure like

1580
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:13,719
when in mythology on films the hero

1581
01:13:18,330 --> 01:13:16,090
finds the treasure that is you know his

1582
01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:18,340
own soul essence is so mission purpose

1583
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:20,380
that he has found so to speak right and

1584
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,810
then comes home alright and then he

1585
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:24,719
comes back home right and then you know

1586
01:13:31,589 --> 01:13:28,290
you know bring it back as this embodied

1587
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:31,599
human being and but you know this road

1588
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:33,489
is not an easy road right there are

1589
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:35,860
trials and errors and lessons and and

1590
01:13:39,660 --> 01:13:37,780
you know fighting the dragons in the

1591
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:39,670
underworld which means you know coming

1592
01:13:42,180 --> 01:13:40,480
in

1593
01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:42,190
terms of your own shadow your own stuff

1594
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:43,390
which you need to work through and

1595
01:13:47,550 --> 01:13:45,370
there's another aspect in the hero's

1596
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:47,560
journey you know like a lot of Hollywood

1597
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:50,410
movies as you know based on that on that

1598
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:52,750
story so to speak well the good ones are

1599
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:56,290
right yeah when a hero for example you

1600
01:13:59,940 --> 01:13:58,330
know liberate the princess or finds the

1601
01:14:02,040 --> 01:13:59,950
woman and they marry and whatnot

1602
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,050
it's actually an analogy of not

1603
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:03,760
necessarily physically finding your

1604
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:08,770
partner but reuniting the inner the

1605
01:14:14,910 --> 01:14:11,710
inner female within a male right to dive

1606
01:14:16,770 --> 01:14:14,920
deep into the underworld to liberate the

1607
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:16,780
feminine which we all have male and

1608
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:18,670
feminine aspect and this has nothing do

1609
01:14:23,310 --> 01:14:21,310
with gender right but we in our Western

1610
01:14:25,890 --> 01:14:23,320
culture were driven by this male aspect

1611
01:14:28,110 --> 01:14:25,900
of consciousness of always analyzing and

1612
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:28,120
head centric and making decisions based

1613
01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:30,489
on the mind and we're kind of cut off

1614
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,680
from the feminine which is rooted in the

1615
01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:34,960
body connected to nature connected to

1616
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:36,820
everything and it sees the wholeness of

1617
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:39,640
it all and it you know it relates more

1618
01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:41,590
this to is intuitive knowing to your gut

1619
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:43,780
response you've got knowledge and that's

1620
01:14:47,490 --> 01:14:45,970
how I have made all of my major

1621
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:47,500
decisions in my life it was not a

1622
01:14:51,690 --> 01:14:49,390
logical decision it was just this inner

1623
01:14:53,340 --> 01:14:51,700
drive like this I need to follow this I

1624
01:14:55,710 --> 01:14:53,350
don't logically it doesn't make sense

1625
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:55,720
but something within me you know draws

1626
01:15:01,470 --> 01:14:58,320
me out and and answers that call and

1627
01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:01,480
that also requires a willingness to step

1628
01:15:08,420 --> 01:15:03,880
into the unknown right and a lot of

1629
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:08,430
people don't do this step because of

1630
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:12,010
fear or insecurity or like you know they

1631
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:14,410
want to always be safe and in comfort

1632
01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:17,050
but to really find that bless you need

1633
01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:19,030
to get out of your comfort zone so this

1634
01:15:22,979 --> 01:15:20,680
really all comes down to you've got to

1635
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:22,989
roll the dice yeah you gotta roll though

1636
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:26,170
you will never be happy you know you you

1637
01:15:33,690 --> 01:15:30,010
there are more movies probably that

1638
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:33,700
aren't that wrong there are more movies

1639
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:37,030
about not taking the hero's journey and

1640
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:40,890
and being bummed out right the guy that

1641
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:43,330
decided not to do that and that's the

1642
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,090
warning there do you want to be that

1643
01:15:51,090 --> 01:15:48,640
person we keep saying guy but you know

1644
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:51,100
do you want to be that person that is

1645
01:15:58,880 --> 01:15:54,310
trapped and unhappy just because

1646
01:16:02,640 --> 01:15:58,890
I was told once at a very very young age

1647
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:02,650
that you don't want to be the old guy

1648
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:06,970
that says I should I could have I should

1649
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:10,090
have and Here I am now and I didn't and

1650
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:14,770
I am not happy right you don't want to

1651
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:18,010
be that guy so that which goes back to

1652
01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:21,040
my question when you first started to

1653
01:16:26,540 --> 01:16:23,590
read Joseph Campbell and that word bliss

1654
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:26,550
there and what the hero's journey

1655
01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:28,810
involved knowing what you know now you

1656
01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:31,630
explained it well you didn't have a clue

1657
01:16:36,540 --> 01:16:33,790
back then did you as you started the

1658
01:16:38,370 --> 01:16:36,550
journey and what all of this meant no no

1659
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:38,380
clue I was it just got confirmed later

1660
01:16:41,850 --> 01:16:40,150
when I got into Joseph Campbell like

1661
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:41,860
well that's you know because it's an

1662
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:44,050
archetypal journey it's an archetype

1663
01:16:48,420 --> 01:16:46,450
it's a it's a collective behavior

1664
01:16:51,810 --> 01:16:48,430
mechanism so to speak we all have

1665
01:16:54,450 --> 01:16:51,820
imprinted within us you know in in in

1666
01:16:58,440 --> 01:16:54,460
our individual expression but you know

1667
01:17:01,080 --> 01:16:58,450
like when I quit college or university

1668
01:17:02,460 --> 01:17:01,090
Munich and went to LA to study drums I

1669
01:17:04,290 --> 01:17:02,470
was following my bliss that was like

1670
01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:04,300
it's drumming it's just excites me I

1671
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:04,840
love it

1672
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:07,810
right that's what I want to do right and

1673
01:17:11,730 --> 01:17:09,850
what I've also noticed you know there's

1674
01:17:14,220 --> 01:17:11,740
the big hero's journey it's like a cycle

1675
01:17:16,860 --> 01:17:14,230
right which can you know you can relate

1676
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:16,870
it to to one's life but they're tiny

1677
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:19,210
more little he cycles of hero's journey

1678
01:17:24,540 --> 01:17:22,930
that come like phases right where we go

1679
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:24,550
constantly to the cycle and there's a

1680
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:26,350
new call and there's something else we

1681
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:30,610
get into a like or enjoy and ultimately

1682
01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:33,370
it's all about soul realization right of

1683
01:17:38,580 --> 01:17:35,860
really finding our true self and

1684
01:17:40,530 --> 01:17:38,590
ultimately our connection to the divine

1685
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:40,540
I mean the end of the hero's journey as

1686
01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:43,810
a Joseph Cambron Rises is ready to be in

1687
01:17:47,730 --> 01:17:45,640
this world but not off this world right

1688
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:47,740
he has conquered death like no fear of

1689
01:17:54,660 --> 01:17:49,690
death which gives you deliberation to

1690
01:17:58,290 --> 01:17:54,670
truly live right there's right and so

1691
01:18:02,370 --> 01:17:58,300
and with that you have all of those

1692
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:02,380
little pieces that as you start to get

1693
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,050
through them you look back and you start

1694
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:07,600
to realize that one joseph campbell was

1695
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:10,930
spot-on right he's absolutely right and

1696
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:14,080
if you do it correctly you have a series

1697
01:18:22,770 --> 01:18:18,640
of Bliss's right in a row and you find

1698
01:18:25,710 --> 01:18:22,780
yourself absolutely happy you're not

1699
01:18:29,070 --> 01:18:25,720
disappointed you may fail at certain

1700
01:18:31,650 --> 01:18:29,080
things but it made you happy going

1701
01:18:34,890 --> 01:18:31,660
through those little pursuits and in the

1702
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:34,900
end it's a big long chain that takes you

1703
01:18:40,380 --> 01:18:37,810
through where you want to go exactly and

1704
01:18:41,970 --> 01:18:40,390
also even the struggle and the quote

1705
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:41,980
unquote bad things happen because I've

1706
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,690
been through a lot it has not been easy

1707
01:18:48,060 --> 01:18:45,520
at all you know their suffering and

1708
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:48,070
depression and you know and failure and

1709
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:50,650
mistakes and all of that but in the end

1710
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:52,750
all these were lessons and even looking

1711
01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:54,970
back initiations that led me to

1712
01:18:58,320 --> 01:18:56,950
something better right so sometimes when

1713
01:19:00,510 --> 01:18:58,330
something really bad happens to us

1714
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:00,520
relationship breakup financial hardship

1715
01:19:04,590 --> 01:19:02,710
we lose a job in the moment it sucks it

1716
01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:04,600
makes no sense we curse everyone in the

1717
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:07,900
world we feel shitty about ourselves but

1718
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:09,490
you know from this higher perspectives

1719
01:19:13,650 --> 01:19:11,770
like spirit it's like okay we need to

1720
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:13,660
let go of this we have given you many

1721
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:15,280
signs and symbolisms you're not

1722
01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:16,960
listening so we need to cut this loose

1723
01:19:21,630 --> 01:19:19,540
to put you on your path and then if you

1724
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:21,640
follow that if you truly let go the old

1725
01:19:25,410 --> 01:19:23,800
self the rebirth then happens and then

1726
01:19:27,660 --> 01:19:25,420
you are lying if your true bliss and you

1727
01:19:29,700 --> 01:19:27,670
look back and you see all these Concord

1728
01:19:31,410 --> 01:19:29,710
bad things that happened well actually

1729
01:19:34,170 --> 01:19:31,420
in your favor so to speak like a

1730
01:19:36,930 --> 01:19:34,180
necessary lesson initiation to put you

1731
01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:36,940
on this path you are destined to be on

1732
01:19:42,260 --> 01:19:38,980
the soul level to fully align yourself

1733
01:19:45,540 --> 01:19:42,270
with your bliss what causes that fear of

1734
01:19:48,210 --> 01:19:45,550
taking the next step is it is it your

1735
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:48,220
friends is it your family is there

1736
01:19:52,740 --> 01:19:50,290
negative aspects around you that you

1737
01:19:56,250 --> 01:19:52,750
need to let go of but you're afraid of

1738
01:19:58,800 --> 01:19:56,260
letting go of friends what is it is it

1739
01:20:00,570 --> 01:19:58,810
fear and what causes that all the above

1740
01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:00,580
I mean for me that's also the basics of

1741
01:20:06,420 --> 01:20:04,150
matrix programming right because in

1742
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:06,430
school where being you know mostly

1743
01:20:11,610 --> 01:20:09,760
taught that materialism having a good

1744
01:20:14,430 --> 01:20:11,620
career decide what you wanted the age of

1745
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:14,440
18 study and have that job and the more

1746
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:15,970
money they make the more success you're

1747
01:20:20,820 --> 01:20:16,930
supposed to have

1748
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:20,830
so there's trap of security right of

1749
01:20:24,780 --> 01:20:22,810
all of that not able to bring out but

1750
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:24,790
like you mentioned as well as can be

1751
01:20:29,490 --> 01:20:27,610
also other people right friends or

1752
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:29,500
family who discourage us because of

1753
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:31,810
their own insecurity right right a

1754
01:20:37,290 --> 01:20:34,930
discourage us and talk negative to us

1755
01:20:39,570 --> 01:20:37,300
because if we step out of the herd so to

1756
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:39,580
speak then they may need to question

1757
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:41,290
their own lives and they don't want that

1758
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:43,450
right they want to keep everybody

1759
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:46,390
together to keep everybody you know not

1760
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:48,610
nobody breaks out of the herd so to

1761
01:20:56,100 --> 01:20:52,570
speak and you know and then inner fears

1762
01:20:58,350 --> 01:20:56,110
as well right the insecurity trauma from

1763
01:21:01,140 --> 01:20:58,360
past you know childhood wounding and all

1764
01:21:03,420 --> 01:21:01,150
of that can all play a role absolutely

1765
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:03,430
right even like in my path when I got

1766
01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:05,410
deep in this whole ailing UVO topic and

1767
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:07,960
crazy stuff I I lost a lot of friends a

1768
01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:10,270
lot of long-term friends you're making

1769
01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:12,460
fun of me thought I was gone crazy so it

1770
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:14,980
was a very lonely road for a while and I

1771
01:21:18,510 --> 01:21:16,810
think that's part of it too sometimes it

1772
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:18,520
can be alone you wrote especially if you

1773
01:21:24,140 --> 01:21:20,590
want to have towards seeking truth and

1774
01:21:26,610 --> 01:21:24,150
awakening so we really need to learn to

1775
01:21:29,970 --> 01:21:26,620
be comfortable for yourself to learn

1776
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:29,980
solitude right and but then if you

1777
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,840
really commit to that even that's what

1778
01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:33,760
it what Joseph Tampa said if you commit

1779
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:36,790
to the call 100% you know then they are

1780
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:38,860
assisting forces and it happens in

1781
01:21:44,850 --> 01:21:43,210
beautiful magical most often intense or

1782
01:21:46,050 --> 01:21:44,860
more subtle ways the right book the

1783
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,060
right teaching like I mentioned before

1784
01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:48,400
the right person comes along to help you

1785
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:51,100
further write these assisting forces and

1786
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:55,090
to for you to progress on the path right

1787
01:21:59,670 --> 01:21:56,770
and within it there are lessons

1788
01:22:01,290 --> 01:21:59,680
definitely but you know for me the

1789
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:01,300
saddest thing in life is ways to tell

1790
01:22:09,170 --> 01:22:04,090
them because so many people have like

1791
01:22:11,670 --> 01:22:09,180
this precious cargo the you know that

1792
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:11,680
treasure what else over here is supposed

1793
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:14,410
to find within himself right but mostly

1794
01:22:19,470 --> 01:22:16,930
people are so conditionals of matrix

1795
01:22:21,060 --> 01:22:19,480
wise and all of that that they don't

1796
01:22:24,780 --> 01:22:21,070
trust it because you need to really

1797
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:24,790
develop a trust into life right to jump

1798
01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:27,370
and let the net appear so to speak so

1799
01:22:33,540 --> 01:22:30,070
that's really the major step when did

1800
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:33,550
you I went through

1801
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:35,530
a lot of the audience right now that is

1802
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:38,230
listening to this conversation totally

1803
01:22:43,169 --> 01:22:40,570
gets what we are saying because they

1804
01:22:47,399 --> 01:22:43,179
have you know freed themselves and and

1805
01:22:48,959 --> 01:22:47,409
and and of you know work at trying to

1806
01:22:51,810 --> 01:22:48,969
get out of those traps and so they

1807
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:51,820
understand that but there is also a

1808
01:22:56,819 --> 01:22:54,340
point in your life where you need to

1809
01:23:00,780 --> 01:22:56,829
stop and recognize where these changes

1810
01:23:03,899 --> 01:23:00,790
can happen and you can maybe influence a

1811
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:03,909
friend of yours that is also maybe

1812
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:04,690
trapped

1813
01:23:11,879 --> 01:23:08,650
whatever it is and for you what was that

1814
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:11,889
aha moment where you step back and said

1815
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:13,570
okay you know what the world is not what

1816
01:23:20,879 --> 01:23:18,159
it seems what was that moment for you

1817
01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:20,889
one moment was definitely like I said

1818
01:23:25,049 --> 01:23:23,409
before work in my first expensive plan

1819
01:23:27,149 --> 01:23:25,059
medicines and psychedelics thousand the

1820
01:23:28,799 --> 01:23:27,159
desert mushrooms have been an ally for

1821
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:28,809
me you know like deep introspection

1822
01:23:34,109 --> 01:23:30,760
there's getting on to the non-physical

1823
01:23:36,419 --> 01:23:34,119
world and you know for me receiving

1824
01:23:37,890 --> 01:23:36,429
bodywork under the influence realizing

1825
01:23:40,410 --> 01:23:37,900
that the body of the mind that all is

1826
01:23:42,020 --> 01:23:40,420
energy and also that there's no such

1827
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,030
thing as death that I am actually

1828
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,320
eternal you know that this body is just

1829
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:46,239
my vehicle and you take care of it but

1830
01:23:50,459 --> 01:23:48,159
you know we are eternal and death is

1831
01:23:52,589 --> 01:23:50,469
really literally an illusion so making

1832
01:23:57,209 --> 01:23:52,599
peace of death has been really my

1833
01:23:59,459 --> 01:23:57,219
biggest threshold so to speak that was

1834
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,469
one and the other one was definitely as

1835
01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:01,840
I shared before when I in the late 90s

1836
01:24:07,649 --> 01:24:05,500
somebody synchronistically gave me the

1837
01:24:10,140 --> 01:24:07,659
book bring us up the dawn right by

1838
01:24:12,450 --> 01:24:10,150
Barmes Enoch and I've never had a read a

1839
01:24:14,970 --> 01:24:12,460
book that resonated me so deeply I mean

1840
01:24:17,129 --> 01:24:14,980
it was resonated on a level that it was

1841
01:24:19,260 --> 01:24:17,139
not like I learned something new but

1842
01:24:20,370 --> 01:24:19,270
like I know there's already like I've

1843
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,380
been here before

1844
01:24:25,589 --> 01:24:22,239
like it was like an instruction manual

1845
01:24:27,060 --> 01:24:25,599
that that was given to me or I forgot at

1846
01:24:29,490 --> 01:24:27,070
the moment of incarnation

1847
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:29,500
all right so dad really opened it up and

1848
01:24:36,379 --> 01:24:32,110
then you know all bets were off kind of

1849
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:36,389
right and I really let go of everything

1850
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:39,610
you know childhood conditioning and all

1851
01:24:43,530 --> 01:24:42,130
of that and and just pursue that and you

1852
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:43,540
know for me I'm can also get very

1853
01:24:47,339 --> 01:24:46,449
focused and you know when I want to get

1854
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:47,349
into something

1855
01:24:52,109 --> 01:24:49,570
I also just go for it does nothing is

1856
01:24:53,790 --> 01:24:52,119
holding holding it back when we come

1857
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:53,800
back after this break which we're going

1858
01:24:59,489 --> 01:24:55,689
to do here in a couple of minutes we're

1859
01:25:03,179 --> 01:24:59,499
going to talk UFOs and in your

1860
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:03,189
documentary did you live in Topanga lots

1861
01:25:08,879 --> 01:25:06,070
of strange things go on and Topanga

1862
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:08,889
right oh yeah a lot of strain stick but

1863
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:13,449
there has been a history of UFOs and

1864
01:25:17,939 --> 01:25:16,510
sightings and contact in Topanga and

1865
01:25:21,089 --> 01:25:17,949
Topanga Canyon

1866
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:21,099
when have you seen anything in Topanga

1867
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:23,050
and what did you see the first strange

1868
01:25:29,279 --> 01:25:27,280
thing in the sky some you know lights in

1869
01:25:30,839 --> 01:25:29,289
the sky some wood could be you of all

1870
01:25:32,819 --> 01:25:30,849
shapes here and there I mean there's

1871
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:32,829
actually a book written UFOs over to

1872
01:25:37,229 --> 01:25:35,169
panga I have it here right right there

1873
01:25:39,389 --> 01:25:37,239
you go and there has been a wave of

1874
01:25:41,819 --> 01:25:39,399
abductions during that phase as well but

1875
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very fascinating to read absolutely and

1876
01:25:46,349 --> 01:25:43,719
you know it's an interesting energy

1877
01:25:48,089 --> 01:25:46,359
Topanga like it's a high energy place of

1878
01:25:48,449 --> 01:25:48,099
you because the Native Americans used to

1879
01:25:50,729 --> 01:25:48,459
live here

1880
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:50,739
write the name Topanga is given by the

1881
01:25:56,189 --> 01:25:52,510
Native Americans it means actually a

1882
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:56,199
place above and you know if any of these

1883
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,760
more high energy places there's both

1884
01:26:02,219 --> 01:25:59,199
dark and light there's some sketchy

1885
01:26:03,569 --> 01:26:02,229
areas here as well some you know energy

1886
01:26:06,029 --> 01:26:03,579
I don't really want to surround myself

1887
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:06,039
but there's also a lot of light here a

1888
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:08,169
lot of potential right so it's like

1889
01:26:14,549 --> 01:26:12,159
everything is kind of here and you know

1890
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,559
I can bring it for me personally can

1891
01:26:19,469 --> 01:26:17,679
places like that bring up a lot right it

1892
01:26:22,469 --> 01:26:19,479
can bring up the shadow it can help

1893
01:26:24,869 --> 01:26:22,479
assist it can also confuse I mean

1894
01:26:26,729 --> 01:26:24,879
there's you know there's like we talked

1895
01:26:28,939 --> 01:26:26,739
about before there are all kinds of

1896
01:26:31,649 --> 01:26:28,949
different people living here right and

1897
01:26:34,799 --> 01:26:31,659
it's mostly like artists musicians

1898
01:26:40,830 --> 01:26:34,809
hippies so whatnot all across the board

1899
01:26:42,869 --> 01:26:40,840
and it's for me just I just really go by

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01:26:44,849 --> 01:26:42,879
the way I feel and can tune into a place

1901
01:26:46,679 --> 01:26:44,859
energetically right if something still

1902
01:26:48,419 --> 01:26:46,689
feels right for me I can get grounded

1903
01:26:52,139 --> 01:26:48,429
this is the right place for me right I

1904
01:26:53,759 --> 01:26:52,149
feels something changes I'm being drawn

1905
01:26:55,739 --> 01:26:53,769
somewhere else or feel energetic see

1906
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:55,749
that doesn't work for me anymore I will

1907
01:26:59,169 --> 01:26:57,760
move on that's basically how it has been

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01:27:01,479 --> 01:26:59,179
my whole life

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let's let's take our break right here

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when we come back we're going to talk

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UFOs we'll Bernard's documentary which

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is UFOs aliens and the question of

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contact can be seen over at his website

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I highly recommend it I have seen it I

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watched years ago it's a great

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documentary more with Bernhard right

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after this short break

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stay with us way out here we listen to

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Jimmy Church you're listening to faint

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you are listening to fade to black with

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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Jimmy Church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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welcome back to fade to black i'm marisa

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meter chart yet tonight bernhard gunther

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or over the phone and you're going to

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get yourself free shipping now Bernard

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01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:15,900
what got you into ufology and and the

2003
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:19,980
making of that documentary well men

2004
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:22,560
already as a little child that was

2005
01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:25,920
always looking up in the sky by myself

2006
01:32:30,650 --> 01:32:27,480
in the fields in Germany and just

2007
01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:30,660
feeling just alone was a loner even high

2008
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:33,000
school you know even was bullied and all

2009
01:32:37,700 --> 01:32:35,040
that always an outsider so always was

2010
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:37,710
spending time but up by myself also

2011
01:32:41,660 --> 01:32:39,030
there must be something else something

2012
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:41,670
out there there's more to life right uh

2013
01:32:46,910 --> 01:32:44,489
you know and and you know wasn't really

2014
01:32:49,010 --> 01:32:46,920
thinking about aliens specifically but

2015
01:32:51,470 --> 01:32:49,020
there's there must be something else

2016
01:32:53,090 --> 01:32:51,480
there's something hidden here and then

2017
01:32:55,490 --> 01:32:53,100
and over the course of my life and

2018
01:32:56,930 --> 01:32:55,500
moving to LA and the process I went

2019
01:33:00,200 --> 01:32:56,940
through and tumbling down the rabbit

2020
01:33:02,209 --> 01:33:00,210
hole I came across UFO research right

2021
01:33:08,270 --> 01:33:02,219
early on there was like late 90s early

2022
01:33:11,450 --> 01:33:08,280
2000 and came of course you know also

2023
01:33:14,330 --> 01:33:11,460
the one of these books the Matrix

2024
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:14,340
trilogy not the the film but belvera in

2025
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:16,080
the book I don't know if you heard of

2026
01:33:22,459 --> 01:33:19,440
absolutely yeah that was a big wake-up

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01:33:24,890 --> 01:33:22,469
call for me I was like holy [\h__\h] right

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01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:24,900
right right yeah I mean there's a lot of

2029
01:33:30,620 --> 01:33:26,460
information and that really kick-started

2030
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:30,630
me and my research and I got then early

2031
01:33:37,459 --> 01:33:33,210
2000 also into Stephen Curry on the

2032
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:37,469
disclosure project and all of that and

2033
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,880
the whole disclosure movement but

2034
01:33:43,490 --> 01:33:40,560
something felt off about all of that I

2035
01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:43,500
wasn't just satisfied especially like he

2036
01:33:48,260 --> 01:33:45,540
kept denying the whole area in abduction

2037
01:33:50,630 --> 01:33:48,270
scenario so when deeper did more

2038
01:33:54,530 --> 01:33:50,640
research and then came across Carla

2039
01:33:56,510 --> 01:33:54,540
Turner's work which is she's an amazing

2040
01:33:58,040 --> 01:33:56,520
lady and she died in the mid 90s and she

2041
01:33:59,120 --> 01:33:58,050
has been abductee and she wrote three

2042
01:34:00,860 --> 01:33:59,130
books

2043
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:00,870
based on her experiences and the people

2044
01:34:06,710 --> 01:34:03,090
she has worked with there was another

2045
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:06,720
eye-opener and we actually with my band

2046
01:34:10,190 --> 01:34:09,450
we had an UFO sighting oh really what

2047
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:10,200
happened

2048
01:34:14,420 --> 01:34:13,020
we had our in Venice we had the living

2049
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:14,430
with my band we had the rehearsal room

2050
01:34:19,540 --> 01:34:15,960
in the garage and we take a break from

2051
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:19,550
jamming standing outside and it was

2052
01:34:24,980 --> 01:34:22,560
daylight and the singing of my band he

2053
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:24,990
looks after the sky and is staring and

2054
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:27,600
you know and he's like look at this what

2055
01:34:33,380 --> 01:34:29,910
is that and we all look up and there's a

2056
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:33,390
silver object like just hovering this

2057
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:36,810
you know straight above us very high but

2058
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:39,300
very clear and it's just sitting there

2059
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:41,970
right and it's sitting there for 10

2060
01:34:46,460 --> 01:34:44,400
minutes or so then it moves slowly to

2061
01:34:50,060 --> 01:34:46,470
the left a bit to the right and it was

2062
01:34:53,050 --> 01:34:50,070
just there and it was the most awkward

2063
01:34:56,500 --> 01:34:53,060
thing I've I've ever experienced right

2064
01:35:01,580 --> 01:34:56,510
what did it look like it was just like

2065
01:35:05,180 --> 01:35:01,590
like almost like a you mean like the

2066
01:35:07,820 --> 01:35:05,190
classic UFO shape right in the sense but

2067
01:35:10,010 --> 01:35:07,830
it seemed to be morphing right it seemed

2068
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,020
to be like quasi physical like popping

2069
01:35:15,500 --> 01:35:12,480
in and out like something it was there

2070
01:35:18,250 --> 01:35:15,510
then I was not there and then all of a

2071
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:18,260
sudden you know was gone out of nowhere

2072
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:21,030
so but we were a little literally

2073
01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:23,040
staring at the thing for at least 10 15

2074
01:35:28,370 --> 01:35:26,340
minutes right all right and and had

2075
01:35:32,270 --> 01:35:28,380
another UFO sighting when I was camping

2076
01:35:34,370 --> 01:35:32,280
out at Big Bear and never a magical

2077
01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:34,380
place yeah beautiful place yeah yeah

2078
01:35:40,820 --> 01:35:37,260
yeah out in the mountains and there was

2079
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:40,830
definitely more like a red quote-unquote

2080
01:35:47,210 --> 01:35:42,930
spacecraft which was zapped over my head

2081
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:47,220
as I was meditating and so all these

2082
01:35:50,990 --> 01:35:48,780
little things but I was just really just

2083
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:51,000
fast and I wanted just to know more

2084
01:35:57,260 --> 01:35:54,090
about it and you know was drawing from

2085
01:35:59,120 --> 01:35:57,270
different research and I got a bit into

2086
01:36:01,400 --> 01:35:59,130
channel material as well which she

2087
01:36:04,910 --> 01:36:01,410
obviously need to be careful with right

2088
01:36:08,180 --> 01:36:04,920
and cross reference and then you know

2089
01:36:10,220 --> 01:36:08,190
what when Richard Dolan came into the

2090
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:10,230
scene of his first book UFOs in the

2091
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:12,000
national security state I loved that

2092
01:36:16,009 --> 01:36:13,710
book right

2093
01:36:18,620 --> 01:36:16,019
the first time really like not symbols

2094
01:36:20,689 --> 01:36:18,630
evidence that we're there something out

2095
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:20,699
there and the truth is being withheld

2096
01:36:24,589 --> 01:36:22,530
from us that the government are lying to

2097
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,599
us and all of that and how deep it

2098
01:36:28,069 --> 01:36:26,400
actually goes right that the official

2099
01:36:29,569 --> 01:36:28,079
government actually has no clue about it

2100
01:36:32,689 --> 01:36:29,579
right it's all about

2101
01:36:35,060 --> 01:36:32,699
compartmentalization and deep black

2102
01:36:37,370 --> 01:36:35,070
projects and and all of that and

2103
01:36:39,410 --> 01:36:37,380
privatization and the breakaway

2104
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:39,420
civilization which Richard talks about

2105
01:36:44,419 --> 01:36:42,090
as well right so back then I was

2106
01:36:47,739 --> 01:36:44,429
actually also so curious so I went to a

2107
01:36:50,919 --> 01:36:47,749
few UVO conferences here and there and

2108
01:36:53,629 --> 01:36:50,929
it was very interesting it was also like

2109
01:36:56,060 --> 01:36:53,639
crazy in a sense because this you've all

2110
01:37:00,020 --> 01:36:56,070
filled as you know it's like a big swamp

2111
01:37:01,580 --> 01:37:00,030
it's so much information right and you

2112
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:01,590
really have to weed through it what is

2113
01:37:04,850 --> 01:37:03,030
the truth what are lies there's a lot of

2114
01:37:06,529 --> 01:37:04,860
disinformation as well obviously we're

2115
01:37:08,689 --> 01:37:06,539
dealing with count intelligence right

2116
01:37:10,759 --> 01:37:08,699
purposely putting in this information to

2117
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:10,769
put the seco on the fault

2118
01:37:18,770 --> 01:37:14,150
track and all of that every day yeah so

2119
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:18,780
so I started then I wrote this somebody

2120
01:37:24,770 --> 01:37:22,610
like actually this guy what's his name

2121
01:37:28,879 --> 01:37:24,780
Daniel Pinchbeck I don't have you know

2122
01:37:32,029 --> 01:37:28,889
him he's like big Burning Man a crowd

2123
01:37:34,879 --> 01:37:32,039
back then and he had a website reality

2124
01:37:36,319 --> 01:37:34,889
sandwich and I connected with him and he

2125
01:37:38,959 --> 01:37:36,329
liked my work so he wanted me to write

2126
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:38,969
an article about UFOs and an aliens for

2127
01:37:42,979 --> 01:37:41,010
was online magazine so I wrote it which

2128
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,989
was the first draft for UFOs aliens in

2129
01:37:47,149 --> 01:37:44,880
the question of contact but he rejected

2130
01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:47,159
it because it was so negative and why I

2131
01:37:52,580 --> 01:37:49,289
believe in this abduction phenomenon all

2132
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:52,590
of this and you know but it just showed

2133
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:54,090
me that he has done its research for me

2134
01:37:58,220 --> 01:37:56,489
it's not about being negative about it

2135
01:38:00,739 --> 01:37:58,230
but making the darkness conscious to

2136
01:38:02,959 --> 01:38:00,749
bring awareness to this topic so that

2137
01:38:05,689 --> 01:38:02,969
you know that so I published it article

2138
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:05,699
myself and then my friend I said suggest

2139
01:38:11,540 --> 01:38:07,440
let's make a documentary out of it and

2140
01:38:13,850 --> 01:38:11,550
that was in 2011 and we featured Richard

2141
01:38:15,459 --> 01:38:13,860
Dolan which you might have talked to

2142
01:38:17,839 --> 01:38:15,469
many times also in private and

2143
01:38:20,569 --> 01:38:17,849
conferences and whatnot and Carla Turner

2144
01:38:23,060 --> 01:38:20,579
and other researchers David Jacob and

2145
01:38:26,270 --> 01:38:23,070
whatnot and really also tying it more

2146
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:28,130
quote-unquote you of all fenomena right

2147
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:29,850
this isn't phenomenon it has been gone

2148
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:31,890
for thousands and thousands of years but

2149
01:38:36,140 --> 01:38:33,330
always appeared in different shapes and

2150
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:36,150
forms and was interpreted in the

2151
01:38:42,230 --> 01:38:38,970
zeitgeist of that culture so to speak

2152
01:38:44,630 --> 01:38:42,240
right and what I realized that is you've

2153
01:38:48,230 --> 01:38:44,640
all phenomena is not necessarily what we

2154
01:38:50,300 --> 01:38:48,240
believe this Star Trek nuts-and-bolts

2155
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:50,310
scenario with physical space shift

2156
01:38:53,900 --> 01:38:52,170
coming or physical aliens coming from

2157
01:38:57,550 --> 01:38:53,910
another planet right but it's more

2158
01:39:01,850 --> 01:38:57,560
powerful hyper dimensional phenomenon

2159
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,860
where these spacecraft or entities exist

2160
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:03,840
in a non-physical realm and can pop in

2161
01:39:07,850 --> 01:39:05,970
and out of reality and also this

2162
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,860
abduction phenomena is not necessarily

2163
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,840
that people are their physical bodies

2164
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:11,520
are taken but you know there's a soul

2165
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:13,080
extraction and all of that and putting

2166
01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:14,850
back into the body hence the missing

2167
01:39:20,060 --> 01:39:16,710
time and all of that and kala Turner

2168
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:20,070
goes deeper into it so that will blew

2169
01:39:25,130 --> 01:39:22,590
everything open and realize that you

2170
01:39:27,740 --> 01:39:25,140
know earth or humanity the the

2171
01:39:29,930 --> 01:39:27,750
underlying control mechanism is the

2172
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:29,940
hyper dimensional matrix and all the

2173
01:39:34,190 --> 01:39:31,920
physical matrix we see through

2174
01:39:37,670 --> 01:39:34,200
institutions government military police

2175
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:37,680
and whatnot it's just this symptom or a

2176
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:41,610
manifestation of that hyper dimensional

2177
01:39:46,190 --> 01:39:44,010
matrix that works through people right

2178
01:39:48,020 --> 01:39:46,200
and affect us in different ways and has

2179
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,030
also installed religions and certain

2180
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:50,400
corrupted spiritual beliefs and all of

2181
01:39:56,090 --> 01:39:54,330
that and going even further back and

2182
01:39:59,420 --> 01:39:56,100
realizing that we have also been

2183
01:40:01,580 --> 01:39:59,430
genetically manipulated by our beings

2184
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:01,590
and partly even created and all of that

2185
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:04,110
so it just blew everything open right

2186
01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:06,330
like really down to the question where

2187
01:40:10,730 --> 01:40:08,760
do we come for Who am I really right and

2188
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:10,740
that's that's why it's happened to when

2189
01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:13,770
truth is stranger than of fiction right

2190
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:16,470
so to speak when they feel like you know

2191
01:40:21,230 --> 01:40:19,170
this this sounds like a sci-fi movie but

2192
01:40:24,110 --> 01:40:21,240
there's there's truth to it I cannot

2193
01:40:26,060 --> 01:40:24,120
deny it or ignore it and what's very

2194
01:40:27,860 --> 01:40:26,070
interesting when we did the documentary

2195
01:40:29,780 --> 01:40:27,870
it took us about three months because we

2196
01:40:32,510 --> 01:40:29,790
didn't know anything about editing so

2197
01:40:34,460 --> 01:40:32,520
it's just a trial and error process and

2198
01:40:36,050 --> 01:40:34,470
my friend was back then living out of

2199
01:40:39,170 --> 01:40:36,060
his van he parked his van he and Topanga

2200
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:39,180
and basically living with me and when we

2201
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:40,170
started doing this doe came

2202
01:40:44,780 --> 01:40:42,570
entry all this high strangeness started

2203
01:40:47,330 --> 01:40:44,790
to happen like weird interferences and

2204
01:40:48,590 --> 01:40:47,340
we were admittedly very naive back then

2205
01:40:50,060 --> 01:40:48,600
we didn't actually know what I was

2206
01:40:51,979 --> 01:40:50,070
getting into it just like we need to get

2207
01:40:54,140 --> 01:40:51,989
this information out nobody talks about

2208
01:40:57,620 --> 01:40:54,150
the test to a film about it right right

2209
01:41:00,500 --> 01:40:57,630
and a lot of the things well FL there's

2210
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:00,510
truth to it also you know what's

2211
01:41:04,430 --> 01:41:02,489
fascinating intellectually but I haven't

2212
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:04,440
like I don't feel I've been abducted I

2213
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:05,489
don't know like had these experiences

2214
01:41:10,910 --> 01:41:08,690
I've read about right but doing this

2215
01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:10,920
making of the film I was still working

2216
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:12,510
or was working obviously as a body

2217
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:14,610
worker and they had some clients coming

2218
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:17,489
to me and as I do of every client I

2219
01:41:20,900 --> 01:41:19,110
check in with them where they add what's

2220
01:41:22,189 --> 01:41:20,910
going on their lives and he dreams and a

2221
01:41:24,260 --> 01:41:22,199
couple of clients especially

2222
01:41:26,510 --> 01:41:24,270
particularly as one shared a dream and

2223
01:41:29,959 --> 01:41:26,520
she basically shared a classic alien

2224
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:29,969
abduction right that she saw this U of O

2225
01:41:35,090 --> 01:41:33,690
or that this little creature she

2226
01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:35,100
described the gray Elleni appeared on

2227
01:41:40,010 --> 01:41:38,070
her bed the next thing she knows she's

2228
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:40,020
up in her bed and see the ceases you of

2229
01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:42,719
all leaving well this is basically based

2230
01:41:47,419 --> 01:41:44,760
on missing time that they have abduction

2231
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,429
happened in between but she didn't know

2232
01:41:51,020 --> 01:41:49,440
it all that what I was getting into it's

2233
01:41:52,930 --> 01:41:51,030
not like I was telling my body were

2234
01:41:55,550 --> 01:41:52,940
clients that I'm doing in the UVO

2235
01:41:58,640 --> 01:41:55,560
documentary and all of that right right

2236
01:42:00,800 --> 01:41:58,650
so I got these people came to know it's

2237
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:00,810
interesting so was working with her and

2238
01:42:06,350 --> 01:42:04,530
then so a week later and then she shared

2239
01:42:08,990 --> 01:42:06,360
more she said more memories came up and

2240
01:42:11,330 --> 01:42:09,000
then I carefully did used to her like

2241
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:11,340
into this abduction phenomenon and and

2242
01:42:16,729 --> 01:42:13,770
the research and then she had more

2243
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:16,739
memories about her parents and a grandma

2244
01:42:20,900 --> 01:42:18,810
that had similar experiences and as you

2245
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,910
know abductions tend to run dead family

2246
01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:22,800
there's some genetic component to it

2247
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:25,560
right so she was became more aware of it

2248
01:42:31,610 --> 01:42:29,940
right and then so in another session she

2249
01:42:33,140 --> 01:42:31,620
had another experience this entity

2250
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:33,150
appeared to her and told her that she

2251
01:42:38,030 --> 01:42:35,880
has been reprogrammed Wow right and she

2252
01:42:39,709 --> 01:42:38,040
didn't know what that meant and I was

2253
01:42:41,900 --> 01:42:39,719
like okay that is interesting and I just

2254
01:42:44,090 --> 01:42:41,910
you know my body work and my energy work

2255
01:42:46,729 --> 01:42:44,100
helped her just to get grounded just to

2256
01:42:49,070 --> 01:42:46,739
for basic health reasons and just you

2257
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:49,080
know help her but I wasn't you know I

2258
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:51,810
just started into this research so I

2259
01:42:57,470 --> 01:42:54,090
wasn't in any position to

2260
01:42:59,660 --> 01:42:57,480
um you know give her deeper guidance

2261
01:43:01,730 --> 01:42:59,670
about how to fight off the abductions

2262
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:01,740
and whatnot but it's interesting that

2263
01:43:07,190 --> 01:43:04,650
was the last time I saw her and heard

2264
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:07,200
from her actually writeable you know she

2265
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,910
wanted to come for more sessions and

2266
01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:11,280
whatnot but now looking back when she

2267
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:13,080
said that she has been reprogrammed that

2268
01:43:17,150 --> 01:43:15,090
maybe whatever forces were becoming

2269
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:17,160
aware that I was getting a bit too

2270
01:43:22,970 --> 01:43:20,000
deeper into it and they didn't want to

2271
01:43:24,850 --> 01:43:22,980
you know have her appear in your

2272
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:24,860
documentary

2273
01:43:31,340 --> 01:43:29,460
yeah well that's her like it made her

2274
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,350
more aware that she may find a way to

2275
01:43:35,570 --> 01:43:33,360
kind of like stop stop all these

2276
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:35,580
abductions in what right right and my

2277
01:43:41,660 --> 01:43:37,650
friend he had already intend to dreams

2278
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:41,670
and he had and one day he woke up upside

2279
01:43:47,210 --> 01:43:44,070
down in his bed was marks on his butt

2280
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:47,220
all over his body and all of that so it

2281
01:43:52,010 --> 01:43:50,000
was just weird very weird time and

2282
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:52,020
interesting and released the documentary

2283
01:43:56,750 --> 01:43:55,020
which will he went viral and one of the

2284
01:43:59,090 --> 01:43:56,760
researchers contacted me like this is

2285
01:44:01,790 --> 01:43:59,100
very you know giving us kudos for the

2286
01:44:03,950 --> 01:44:01,800
documentary and then she also said but

2287
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:03,960
you know you created some attention

2288
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:05,400
there now you know you got to be very

2289
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,050
careful you know already

2290
01:44:11,150 --> 01:44:09,360
yam that yeah right and back then I said

2291
01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:11,160
we were neat like yeah whatever it's out

2292
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:12,510
there people need to know about it we

2293
01:44:19,490 --> 01:44:15,810
need to wake people up but then I saw

2294
01:44:22,250 --> 01:44:19,500
how I got interfered with right not only

2295
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:22,260
publicly attacks and all of that but we

2296
01:44:27,050 --> 01:44:24,090
had hyperdimensional interferences

2297
01:44:28,910 --> 01:44:27,060
dreams and then also relation my

2298
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,920
relationships changed and what I then

2299
01:44:34,220 --> 01:44:30,480
experienced what it raised in the

2300
01:44:36,110 --> 01:44:34,230
aftermath was a few also called Aaron in

2301
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:36,120
love bite relationships darkside of

2302
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:39,840
cubed which evil oregon maybe as you

2303
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:43,170
know writes about and talks about but

2304
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,690
right and there was a very intense phase

2305
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:50,880
in my life a lot of paranormal activity

2306
01:44:56,690 --> 01:44:54,930
going on my house and all of that and it

2307
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:56,700
nearly took me out actually like I had

2308
01:45:04,730 --> 01:44:58,980
suicidal thoughts and was just really

2309
01:45:07,670 --> 01:45:04,740
like down and and and again very very

2310
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:07,680
very confused right so it but again it

2311
01:45:10,230 --> 01:45:08,290
forced me

2312
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:10,240
to look deeper into it in the specialist

2313
01:45:14,010 --> 01:45:12,130
hyperdimensional phenomena matrix how

2314
01:45:15,540 --> 01:45:14,020
these entities hyper dimensional beings

2315
01:45:17,130 --> 01:45:15,550
work through it and target us through

2316
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:17,140
our own minds or work through other

2317
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:19,210
people trying to get to us that's right

2318
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:22,960
right well let me let me I want to I

2319
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:26,530
want to stay on this yeah let's go back

2320
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:28,930
you mentioned you know nuts and bolts

2321
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:32,970
you know many times part of our society

2322
01:45:41,610 --> 01:45:37,810
was getting through the UFO phenomenon

2323
01:45:44,580 --> 01:45:41,620
because back in the 40s and 50s and

2324
01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:44,590
going into the 60s we didn't understand

2325
01:45:50,430 --> 01:45:47,260
space we didn't quite have a grip on

2326
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:50,440
physics yet or the speed of light or

2327
01:45:56,190 --> 01:45:52,690
quantum mechanics we didn't have we

2328
01:45:58,500 --> 01:45:56,200
didn't have any clue we assumed they

2329
01:46:01,320 --> 01:45:58,510
were flying in a spaceship from

2330
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:01,330
somewhere to get here and we were trying

2331
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:04,480
to figure that out today we now

2332
01:46:09,810 --> 01:46:07,330
understand so much about science and now

2333
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:09,820
the possibilities of different things

2334
01:46:14,990 --> 01:46:12,370
not only the interdimensional play on

2335
01:46:19,220 --> 01:46:15,000
things but the speed of light wormholes

2336
01:46:21,540 --> 01:46:19,230
folding of space there's there's a

2337
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:21,550
tremendous amount of information now

2338
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:24,730
that help us answer those questions and

2339
01:46:31,620 --> 01:46:28,320
take away from the original UFO

2340
01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:31,630
hypothesis and now you putting this

2341
01:46:36,540 --> 01:46:34,450
documentary together on the new side of

2342
01:46:38,490 --> 01:46:36,550
the fence you know your modern you're

2343
01:46:41,070 --> 01:46:38,500
from now and you're discovering this now

2344
01:46:43,110 --> 01:46:41,080
it does make a lot of sense doesn't it

2345
01:46:45,150 --> 01:46:43,120
you know it does you know it's very

2346
01:46:47,820 --> 01:46:45,160
interesting because back you know we

2347
01:46:49,170 --> 01:46:47,830
made this documentary 2011 and before

2348
01:46:52,020 --> 01:46:49,180
that I've written about and talked about

2349
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:52,030
it and back then hardly anybody was

2350
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:53,650
interested I mean there's the Yuval

2351
01:46:58,230 --> 01:46:56,410
community and that you know like fringe

2352
01:47:01,290 --> 01:46:58,240
crowd that was always into it so to

2353
01:47:03,210 --> 01:47:01,300
speak but the wider audience you know

2354
01:47:04,650 --> 01:47:03,220
was ridiculed laughed at attacked and

2355
01:47:08,460 --> 01:47:04,660
whatnot but I would have noticed

2356
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:08,470
especially of the lab here's more more

2357
01:47:14,430 --> 01:47:11,650
people are becoming aware of it and

2358
01:47:17,790 --> 01:47:14,440
taking it serious right and I see this

2359
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:17,800
also refer got to my work all the you

2360
01:47:22,030 --> 01:47:19,760
know the messages I get and

2361
01:47:23,770 --> 01:47:22,040
and oh it's becoming more popular this

2362
01:47:26,410 --> 01:47:23,780
topic especially the hyperdimensional

2363
01:47:28,090 --> 01:47:26,420
aspect right that there are something to

2364
01:47:31,900 --> 01:47:28,100
it and how people experiences in their

2365
01:47:34,420 --> 01:47:31,910
own lives so there's definitely a more I

2366
01:47:37,330 --> 01:47:34,430
don't want to say massive clearness but

2367
01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:37,340
definitely a big awareness then in the

2368
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:40,310
past about all of that now when I define

2369
01:47:45,250 --> 01:47:43,130
hyper dimensional hyper dimension

2370
01:47:47,050 --> 01:47:45,260
basically meaning non-physical you know

2371
01:47:49,540 --> 01:47:47,060
that there's these entities they exist

2372
01:47:52,300 --> 01:47:49,550
outside our five sensory perception in

2373
01:47:55,570 --> 01:47:52,310
another you know dimension or density

2374
01:47:58,120 --> 01:47:55,580
like where they exist out of the

2375
01:48:00,760 --> 01:47:58,130
construct of space and time right it's

2376
01:48:02,590 --> 01:48:00,770
very hard for our rational mind to

2377
01:48:04,990 --> 01:48:02,600
understand because we only can think in

2378
01:48:07,540 --> 01:48:05,000
linear ways right so this non physical

2379
01:48:10,300 --> 01:48:07,550
phenomena and these entities can move

2380
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:10,310
back and forward in time and you know

2381
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:12,530
for them space is not not an issue as

2382
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:15,650
for us so it's really just non-physical

2383
01:48:19,690 --> 01:48:17,840
and that we cannot perceive it as long

2384
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:19,700
as we stuck in ego consciousness and and

2385
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:23,690
the five senses well and and the ability

2386
01:48:31,450 --> 01:48:27,970
for something that is out of frequency

2387
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:31,460
to get into our frequency for a split

2388
01:48:36,670 --> 01:48:33,890
second or for a few minutes and then go

2389
01:48:38,770 --> 01:48:36,680
back to the other frequency and they're

2390
01:48:41,830 --> 01:48:38,780
coming in and out of what we perceive as

2391
01:48:43,390 --> 01:48:41,840
reality exactly that's why you see a lot

2392
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:43,400
of you of those sightings people see of

2393
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:45,770
us and then boom it's gone it's not that

2394
01:48:51,490 --> 01:48:48,320
it flew away very fast it just you know

2395
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:51,500
is still there but just shifted the

2396
01:48:58,210 --> 01:48:54,250
frequency or dimensional what not right

2397
01:48:59,050 --> 01:48:58,220
well it makes you wonder as you sit with

2398
01:49:03,220 --> 01:48:59,060
me right now

2399
01:49:05,620 --> 01:49:03,230
right and and we're doing this show that

2400
01:49:09,420 --> 01:49:05,630
what is actually hanging out with you

2401
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:09,430
right now right now right now right now

2402
01:49:13,660 --> 01:49:11,330
standing next to you

2403
01:49:15,550 --> 01:49:13,670
it could be somebody with his arms

2404
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:15,560
crossed going yeah pretty much that song

2405
01:49:21,250 --> 01:49:19,730
but you don't see them I mean that's I

2406
01:49:22,830 --> 01:49:21,260
can tell you some crazy things I have

2407
01:49:26,650 --> 01:49:22,840
you ever heard of DMT dimethyltryptamine

2408
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:26,660
oh yeah oh yeah well you live in Topanga

2409
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:30,770
so yeah I you know I had my face and I

2410
01:49:33,399 --> 01:49:32,810
tend to be an explorer so I'm like I've

2411
01:49:35,409 --> 01:49:33,409
explore

2412
01:49:38,020 --> 01:49:35,419
but a lot of work does a lot and you

2413
01:49:39,850 --> 01:49:38,030
know that's I've definitely encountered

2414
01:49:42,719 --> 01:49:39,860
some entities and beings in the worlds

2415
01:49:46,299 --> 01:49:42,729
right here you know just by taking a hit

2416
01:49:50,350 --> 01:49:46,309
right and I also introduced friends to

2417
01:49:52,929 --> 01:49:50,360
it and whatnot back then and remember

2418
01:49:54,819 --> 01:49:52,939
this one friend of her friend she she

2419
01:49:56,830 --> 01:49:54,829
took a head of DMT and she's never done

2420
01:49:58,209 --> 01:49:56,840
that before I wasn't even didn't know

2421
01:50:01,359 --> 01:49:58,219
who she is it did you didn't know

2422
01:50:02,859 --> 01:50:01,369
anything about my work so she was a bit

2423
01:50:04,509 --> 01:50:02,869
distressed during this whole experience

2424
01:50:06,250 --> 01:50:04,519
but it's very safe

2425
01:50:07,959 --> 01:50:06,260
like nothing happens physically but she

2426
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:07,969
was distressed right so you could see

2427
01:50:12,129 --> 01:50:09,679
the eyes were wide open she was seeing

2428
01:50:14,409 --> 01:50:12,139
something we weren't seeing she was

2429
01:50:16,929 --> 01:50:14,419
somewhere else right so finally she came

2430
01:50:18,609 --> 01:50:16,939
back and what she reported what she said

2431
01:50:21,279 --> 01:50:18,619
right away she found herself and always

2432
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:21,289
on a spaceship and she always all these

2433
01:50:26,290 --> 01:50:23,449
alien entities and they were looking at

2434
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:26,300
her or very surprised to see her there

2435
01:50:32,259 --> 01:50:29,599
and what this one entity said to her was

2436
01:50:34,750 --> 01:50:32,269
oops kind of like making fun of her like

2437
01:50:37,089 --> 01:50:34,760
now you discovered the big secret we

2438
01:50:40,060 --> 01:50:37,099
have you're not in control of yourself

2439
01:50:42,429 --> 01:50:40,070
you're an experiment that's how I regime

2440
01:50:44,350 --> 01:50:42,439
so now now we're going to stay right on

2441
01:50:48,370 --> 01:50:44,360
this DMT subject man we're not going

2442
01:50:54,459 --> 01:50:48,380
anywhere so what is interesting now had

2443
01:50:57,459 --> 01:50:54,469
she ever before DMT or not been exposed

2444
01:51:02,890 --> 01:50:57,469
to a parallel world or dimension or that

2445
01:51:07,359 --> 01:51:02,900
idea not that I'm aware of not none of

2446
01:51:11,649 --> 01:51:07,369
any of the research just you know right

2447
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:11,659
so she okay okay so now back to her wait

2448
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:14,239
so ten minutes later right she's back

2449
01:51:20,979 --> 01:51:18,110
right she and and she has been exposed

2450
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:20,989
now to another dimension another reality

2451
01:51:28,330 --> 01:51:25,489
and this case it was on board a craft a

2452
01:51:30,729 --> 01:51:28,340
craft and how did she describe it to you

2453
01:51:33,659 --> 01:51:30,739
and that's a game-changer right there

2454
01:51:37,089 --> 01:51:33,669
that that that is a life-changing moment

2455
01:51:39,699 --> 01:51:37,099
do you still speak to her today no I

2456
01:51:42,429 --> 01:51:39,709
mean she I've seen it like it was the

2457
01:51:44,139 --> 01:51:42,439
experience and and I've seen her a few

2458
01:51:45,699 --> 01:51:44,149
years again later

2459
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:45,709
you know she was a bodyboard client

2460
01:51:49,130 --> 01:51:47,040
became a body of a client and

2461
01:51:50,570 --> 01:51:49,140
but you never enter to mention the

2462
01:51:52,340 --> 01:51:50,580
experience again she pushes back in her

2463
01:51:54,410 --> 01:51:52,350
life so to speak and never really got

2464
01:51:56,690 --> 01:51:54,420
deep under these topics at all right

2465
01:51:59,180 --> 01:51:56,700
right after the experience for me

2466
01:52:01,040 --> 01:51:59,190
personally that was the moment it hit me

2467
01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:01,050
I got literally goose bumps and shiver

2468
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:03,480
and I really okay this is real [\h__\h] I

2469
01:52:07,190 --> 01:52:04,970
gotta watch out what I'm doing here

2470
01:52:09,980 --> 01:52:07,200
introducing people to didi and all this

2471
01:52:13,190 --> 01:52:09,990
kind of got to check myself right this

2472
01:52:15,050 --> 01:52:13,200
is insane the reason why it hit me so

2473
01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:15,060
hard because the phrase she mentioned

2474
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:17,270
the message she got from these entities

2475
01:52:21,860 --> 01:52:20,370
stating you're not in control of

2476
01:52:24,110 --> 01:52:21,870
yourself you're an experiment it's the

2477
01:52:28,430 --> 01:52:24,120
exact line of something I just read

2478
01:52:31,460 --> 01:52:28,440
before from channel material of women

2479
01:52:33,860 --> 01:52:31,470
channels you know higher density beings

2480
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:33,870
of you know she asked them what is the

2481
01:52:38,750 --> 01:52:35,730
big secret you know in this channel

2482
01:52:40,220 --> 01:52:38,760
experiment and the these beings answer

2483
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:40,230
the consortium

2484
01:52:47,120 --> 01:52:44,970
right is basically the state that you're

2485
01:52:49,190 --> 01:52:47,130
an experiment and now you're not in

2486
01:52:52,610 --> 01:52:49,200
control of yourself so it was just such

2487
01:52:55,220 --> 01:52:52,620
a confirmation from this girl a woman

2488
01:52:57,230 --> 01:52:55,230
who has no clue no couldn't have made

2489
01:53:00,770 --> 01:52:57,240
that up at all doesn't even know what I

2490
01:53:04,820 --> 01:53:00,780
was into it what was I what were the

2491
01:53:06,650 --> 01:53:04,830
beings did she describe those that is

2492
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:06,660
gay she was just like you know

2493
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:10,410
describing them just as she's literally

2494
01:53:14,660 --> 01:53:12,330
said spacecraft like definitely like she

2495
01:53:17,540 --> 01:53:14,670
she mentioned spacecraft and then just

2496
01:53:18,530 --> 01:53:17,550
call them alien entities right I don't

2497
01:53:22,580 --> 01:53:18,540
remember I don't think she even

2498
01:53:24,470 --> 01:53:22,590
described them exactly how they looked

2499
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:24,480
like I was just so like it shocked

2500
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,850
myself after she said that phrase and

2501
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:29,360
like oh my god odd and I owe

2502
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:31,410
externally consider it right at the

2503
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:33,840
moment I she was not in the place for me

2504
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:35,730
to unload all this information what she

2505
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:39,540
has had into Wow how incredible how

2506
01:53:48,590 --> 01:53:46,050
incredible with with DMT do you think

2507
01:53:50,780 --> 01:53:48,600
that it is confirmation of not only

2508
01:53:55,310 --> 01:53:50,790
another dimension but something that

2509
01:53:58,520 --> 01:53:55,320
science should look into for a you know

2510
01:53:58,910 --> 01:53:58,530
quantum theory or nonlocality and and

2511
01:54:04,700 --> 01:53:58,920
the

2512
01:54:08,620 --> 01:54:04,710
confirmed I mean obviously I mean

2513
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:08,630
there's a book actually quasi scientific

2514
01:54:15,830 --> 01:54:12,930
approach in the early 2001 I think it

2515
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:15,840
was written by dr. Rick Strassman called

2516
01:54:20,030 --> 01:54:18,510
DMT the skirt molecule that's right and

2517
01:54:24,620 --> 01:54:20,040
it's a very interesting book because he

2518
01:54:27,380 --> 01:54:24,630
got actually funding to to do like legal

2519
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:27,390
research and he did it even more more

2520
01:54:30,260 --> 01:54:28,800
clinical like in the clinical setting

2521
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:30,270
and injected you know

2522
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:32,400
volunteers with DMT which is even more

2523
01:54:38,210 --> 01:54:35,490
intense right the dosage and lot of a

2524
01:54:40,940 --> 01:54:38,220
lot of people came back prescribing

2525
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:40,950
these alien spacecraft experiences but

2526
01:54:45,110 --> 01:54:42,450
also abduction experiences that they

2527
01:54:48,590 --> 01:54:45,120
found themselves onyx you know on the

2528
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:48,600
table being examined by entities some of

2529
01:54:53,390 --> 01:54:50,090
them having had intercourse with

2530
01:54:55,100 --> 01:54:53,400
reptilian beings and all of that and he

2531
01:54:58,340 --> 01:54:55,110
describes all that like just from a very

2532
01:55:00,350 --> 01:54:58,350
scientific objective perspective and for

2533
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,360
me personally I've worked you know with

2534
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:02,400
the psychedelics and ent allowed back in

2535
01:55:08,690 --> 01:55:06,960
the days and special DMT when I used to

2536
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,700
do it and enter what you know turns

2537
01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:10,800
Makino's across the Dean Tea Room it's

2538
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,830
definitely another reality was an

2539
01:55:17,390 --> 01:55:15,360
intelligence on its own and there are

2540
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,400
entities that are not projections of my

2541
01:55:21,500 --> 01:55:19,440
mind you know which is usually the

2542
01:55:23,150 --> 01:55:21,510
argument of a lot of people that use in

2543
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:23,160
tuscaloosa nations they might mix this

2544
01:55:27,950 --> 01:55:26,400
up and it's not real but anybody who has

2545
01:55:29,870 --> 01:55:27,960
really worked and gone deep with it

2546
01:55:31,460 --> 01:55:29,880
knows that you know you sense there's

2547
01:55:33,950 --> 01:55:31,470
another intelligence this is me and

2548
01:55:36,050 --> 01:55:33,960
there's this other right something other

2549
01:55:39,170 --> 01:55:36,060
Ness and they all shape-shifting to like

2550
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:39,180
I had expenses on the in T of reptilian

2551
01:55:44,810 --> 01:55:41,730
beings that shape-shift like mechanical

2552
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:44,820
else so to speak right into other shape

2553
01:55:50,300 --> 01:55:48,930
and form and a lot of them are just

2554
01:55:51,710 --> 01:55:50,310
benign like lot of these entities but

2555
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:51,720
just curious like hey how are you what

2556
01:55:54,110 --> 01:55:52,560
are you doing I had this little

2557
01:55:55,730 --> 01:55:54,120
reptilian entities sitting on my chest

2558
01:55:58,220 --> 01:55:55,740
looking at me just curiously and then

2559
01:55:59,900 --> 01:55:58,230
going off all these weird things

2560
01:56:02,150 --> 01:55:59,910
happened you know for me personally I

2561
01:56:04,490 --> 01:56:02,160
never had a distressing fearful

2562
01:56:05,650 --> 01:56:04,500
experience on that ever I always felt

2563
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:05,660
comfortable

2564
01:56:12,260 --> 01:56:08,970
interestingly on that note whenever I

2565
01:56:15,290 --> 01:56:12,270
entered the DMT space and I was in there

2566
01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:15,300
so familiar right like most familiar

2567
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,670
than this physical existence like

2568
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:19,440
something I've been there before or

2569
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:22,170
maybe I came from I don't know right but

2570
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:25,290
you really experience yourself beyond

2571
01:56:28,940 --> 01:56:27,330
this physical body or your you your

2572
01:56:30,980 --> 01:56:28,950
energy essence so to speak and when you

2573
01:56:32,900 --> 01:56:30,990
come back after 10-15 minutes you feel

2574
01:56:35,060 --> 01:56:32,910
the restriction of this 3 density

2575
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:35,070
physical meet back like boom and back

2576
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:37,410
right and you're serious oh my god

2577
01:56:42,350 --> 01:56:39,330
there's so much more out then it's all

2578
01:56:44,030 --> 01:56:42,360
right here well and what's interesting

2579
01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:44,040
we got to take a break right here but

2580
01:56:50,090 --> 01:56:46,440
what's interesting for me you know LSD

2581
01:56:52,610 --> 01:56:50,100
and mushrooms and the the classic acid

2582
01:56:57,580 --> 01:56:52,620
trips those are different for everybody

2583
01:57:01,810 --> 01:56:57,590
right so those are the DMT and ayahuasca

2584
01:57:05,390 --> 01:57:01,820
those experiences and documented are

2585
01:57:09,410 --> 01:57:05,400
nearly the same for everybody they're

2586
01:57:12,050 --> 01:57:09,420
going to the same place the end and it

2587
01:57:15,230 --> 01:57:12,060
is a physical thing it is another world

2588
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:15,240
as opposed to you know an LSD or

2589
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:18,770
mushroom trip these are two different

2590
01:57:24,350 --> 01:57:21,360
things I don't think that they should be

2591
01:57:26,420 --> 01:57:24,360
confused as being the same thing no I

2592
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:26,430
agree I mean for me I enjoyed mushrooms

2593
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:31,050
as well I've really experiments have

2594
01:57:35,090 --> 01:57:32,880
done very influenced by Terence Mckenna

2595
01:57:37,220 --> 01:57:35,100
back then like eating 7 8 grams all my

2596
01:57:39,020 --> 01:57:37,230
own locking myself into a dark room and

2597
01:57:42,230 --> 01:57:39,030
let's see what happens right right right

2598
01:57:43,820 --> 01:57:42,240
of also ecstasy are all kinds of

2599
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:43,830
entities and beings but with mushrooms

2600
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:46,290
it's like it's very physically bodily so

2601
01:57:51,380 --> 01:57:48,930
it's like it's not as clear to something

2602
01:57:53,150 --> 01:57:51,390
with D and T right so it's definitely a

2603
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:53,160
different different experience and never

2604
01:57:57,410 --> 01:57:55,770
really got into acid or LSD because it

2605
01:58:00,290 --> 01:57:57,420
was just too much of a head trip in my

2606
01:58:01,880 --> 01:58:00,300
head well no it was it's and we're gonna

2607
01:58:04,490 --> 01:58:01,890
yeah we're going to take a break right

2608
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:04,500
here we're going to reset your phone

2609
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:06,570
connection to as well it's breaking up a

2610
01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:08,490
little bit so we'll do that now but but

2611
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:11,880
LSD you don't even know what chemist is

2612
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:13,810
making that that's another

2613
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generation this is a fade to black

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tonight Bernhard Gunther we'll be right

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Gobekli Tepe do you or loved one suffer

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migraine headaches listen to what

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of them you need to know about my

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I love ponies I really love ponies I'm

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poor mr. Brooks why fade to black

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this is fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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radio network and K GRA the global radio

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alliance

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welcome back beta-blocker guess and i

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bernhard gunther thou his exploration

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02:02:46,860 --> 02:02:44,020
into rhythm and music became a journey

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02:02:49,530 --> 02:02:46,870
of self-discovery and healing which led

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02:02:52,260 --> 02:02:49,540
him to bodywork in the healing arts he

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02:02:54,450 --> 02:02:52,270
made the documentary UFOs aliens and the

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02:02:57,900 --> 02:02:54,460
question of contact high strangeness

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02:03:01,200 --> 02:02:57,910
always enters one's life when you go

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02:03:03,390 --> 02:03:01,210
down this path and you were warned about

2712
02:03:06,060 --> 02:03:03,400
this Bernhard that's what's really funny

2713
02:03:08,130 --> 02:03:06,070
about this I think that ever all

2714
02:03:10,200 --> 02:03:08,140
researchers and stuff when they get into

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02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:10,210
this they're warned by their friends in

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02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:13,210
the community okay get ready but it does

2717
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:16,570
start and before the documentary before

2718
02:03:21,780 --> 02:03:19,090
this life's journey this kind of stuff

2719
02:03:25,140 --> 02:03:21,790
just didn't happen and now today it does

2720
02:03:27,390 --> 02:03:25,150
do you just ignore it now you know and

2721
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:27,400
it just becomes part of your life you

2722
02:03:33,330 --> 02:03:31,330
you now know things will happen even if

2723
02:03:35,370 --> 02:03:33,340
forms of repercussions attacks and all

2724
02:03:37,470 --> 02:03:35,380
of them however it could be anything

2725
02:03:39,390 --> 02:03:37,480
could be your computer acting funny it

2726
02:03:40,919 --> 02:03:39,400
could be somebody showing up in your

2727
02:03:43,110 --> 02:03:40,929
bedroom in the middle of it it could be

2728
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:43,120
anything well not at this point nothing

2729
02:03:49,290 --> 02:03:45,610
shocks me or surprises me anymore at all

2730
02:03:50,729 --> 02:03:49,300
right so I mean I also you know over the

2731
02:03:52,890 --> 02:03:50,739
past 10 years I've worked with

2732
02:03:54,990 --> 02:03:52,900
individuals from all walks of life of

2733
02:03:56,910 --> 02:03:55,000
abductees people dealing with entity

2734
02:04:00,510 --> 02:03:56,920
possession and interference and all of

2735
02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:00,520
that very severe - more so more subtle

2736
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:03,360
things so kind of seen a lot and

2737
02:04:08,189 --> 02:04:05,920
experienced a lot but you know the place

2738
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:08,199
I'm at right now definitely don't

2739
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:11,050
experience am that much interference at

2740
02:04:15,180 --> 02:04:13,090
all really like in the past because

2741
02:04:17,790 --> 02:04:15,190
here's the thing what I realized in my

2742
02:04:19,950 --> 02:04:17,800
past and this has been early on the

2743
02:04:21,540 --> 02:04:19,960
seeking truth is a two-fold process it's

2744
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:21,550
not only the seeking truth out there

2745
02:04:25,770 --> 02:04:23,050
what's going on in the world however

2746
02:04:27,570 --> 02:04:25,780
dimensionally whatever but also the you

2747
02:04:30,660 --> 02:04:27,580
know seeking true within our inner work

2748
02:04:32,490 --> 02:04:30,670
because what I realize that these

2749
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:32,500
entities is beings however they can

2750
02:04:38,250 --> 02:04:34,690
interfere an attack with us only can

2751
02:04:39,810 --> 02:04:38,260
only attack that is correspond to

2752
02:04:42,300 --> 02:04:39,820
vibrates with a certain issue

2753
02:04:45,300 --> 02:04:42,310
within us like a wound or blind spot

2754
02:04:47,550 --> 02:04:45,310
right so that kind of throws out the

2755
02:04:49,830 --> 02:04:47,560
blame game you know as I see a lot of

2756
02:04:52,740 --> 02:04:49,840
the fallacy people blaming entities will

2757
02:04:55,770 --> 02:04:52,750
be all these kind of things you know for

2758
02:04:57,689 --> 02:04:55,780
the hardship which it's fine it can be

2759
02:05:00,479 --> 02:04:57,699
very hard to distressing but when you

2760
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:00,489
look deeper into it you know in my case

2761
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:03,040
you know all the text I've received was

2762
02:05:07,169 --> 02:05:05,050
like a deeper lesson within me like for

2763
02:05:09,450 --> 02:05:07,179
example public attacks also taught me to

2764
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:09,460
stand up for myself to get over my own

2765
02:05:14,580 --> 02:05:11,520
insecurities my lack of self-love of

2766
02:05:16,740 --> 02:05:14,590
just self-acceptance healthy self

2767
02:05:20,399 --> 02:05:16,750
confidence and all of that healthy

2768
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:20,409
self-love right so and working through

2769
02:05:24,780 --> 02:05:22,570
my own guilt shame programming

2770
02:05:26,580 --> 02:05:24,790
conditioning all of that in order to

2771
02:05:28,589 --> 02:05:26,590
raise the frequency and that's really

2772
02:05:32,430 --> 02:05:28,599
what it comes down to like you know I

2773
02:05:35,580 --> 02:05:32,440
gave a talk a few months ago at a

2774
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:35,590
conference called regeneration was the

2775
02:05:39,180 --> 02:05:37,119
name of the conference and my talk was

2776
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:39,190
the matrix control system and the path

2777
02:05:43,859 --> 02:05:41,650
towards awakening right and I feel

2778
02:05:45,359 --> 02:05:43,869
sometimes we all like in this community

2779
02:05:47,459 --> 02:05:45,369
seeking truth and getting on to this

2780
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:47,469
high strangeness stuff but sometimes we

2781
02:05:51,810 --> 02:05:49,119
forget quote-unquote what the whole

2782
02:05:53,370 --> 02:05:51,820
point is of it which is to raise to

2783
02:05:55,830 --> 02:05:53,380
another level of being to raise our

2784
02:05:58,620 --> 02:05:55,840
frequency right and if we do this

2785
02:06:03,030 --> 02:05:58,630
through sincere anywhere and inner work

2786
02:06:04,770 --> 02:06:03,040
we embody this higher divine love more

2787
02:06:07,020 --> 02:06:04,780
and more that higher frequencies and

2788
02:06:11,609 --> 02:06:07,030
then these lower entities are strong

2789
02:06:13,169 --> 02:06:11,619
beings or interferences don't kind of

2790
02:06:15,930 --> 02:06:13,179
target out anymore because it's not a

2791
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:15,940
frequency match right so that's what

2792
02:06:19,229 --> 02:06:17,290
I've experienced in my life there's been

2793
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:19,239
definitely all this assault and attacks

2794
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:21,520
and all these kind of things but it was

2795
02:06:25,620 --> 02:06:24,010
like a deeper initiation right to really

2796
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:25,630
take care of myself to be very

2797
02:06:33,149 --> 02:06:28,800
discerning who associate myself with and

2798
02:06:35,729 --> 02:06:33,159
to really you know be more externally

2799
02:06:39,089 --> 02:06:35,739
considerate and you know many other

2800
02:06:40,680 --> 02:06:39,099
things so that's that that's in my path

2801
02:06:43,260 --> 02:06:40,690
and that's really what what my work is

2802
02:06:45,149 --> 02:06:43,270
also about it's not just about talking

2803
02:06:47,220 --> 02:06:45,159
about these topics but also our inner

2804
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:47,230
process how we can truly transcend the

2805
02:06:51,569 --> 02:06:49,599
matrix right going back to the hero's

2806
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:51,579
journey because it's a state of mind

2807
02:06:53,579 --> 02:06:53,050
state of being while you're in this

2808
02:06:55,919 --> 02:06:53,589
world but

2809
02:06:58,649 --> 02:06:55,929
officered we're not that much affected

2810
02:07:00,989 --> 02:06:58,659
anymore by all the garbage out there how

2811
02:07:05,099 --> 02:07:00,999
do you know when you found your real

2812
02:07:07,469 --> 02:07:05,109
self real self but not what we think we

2813
02:07:09,899 --> 02:07:07,479
are you know I have experiences which

2814
02:07:12,029 --> 02:07:09,909
I'm hard to put into words but I work a

2815
02:07:14,069 --> 02:07:12,039
lot of meditation Qi Gong I don't know

2816
02:07:16,469 --> 02:07:14,079
if you heard of that like orgy yes

2817
02:07:18,659 --> 02:07:16,479
energy work I do it every morning

2818
02:07:21,089 --> 02:07:18,669
20 minutes Qigong followed by 20 minutes

2819
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:21,099
meditation out here in nature and I get

2820
02:07:26,339 --> 02:07:23,050
you know in a deep state and really deep

2821
02:07:28,469 --> 02:07:26,349
in the present moment right and have

2822
02:07:30,389 --> 02:07:28,479
beautiful experiences just feeling one

2823
02:07:33,689 --> 02:07:30,399
with nature and interrelationship of it

2824
02:07:35,729 --> 02:07:33,699
all and you know and having this feeling

2825
02:07:38,369 --> 02:07:35,739
the quote-unquote divine whatever would

2826
02:07:40,109 --> 02:07:38,379
you may use it's nothing external of

2827
02:07:42,389 --> 02:07:40,119
ourselves but our higher spiritual

2828
02:07:44,369 --> 02:07:42,399
nature right that thing that is real

2829
02:07:46,829 --> 02:07:44,379
that is unchanged that this not damaged

2830
02:07:48,299 --> 02:07:46,839
or wounded by any degree right but we

2831
02:07:49,889 --> 02:07:48,309
need to work through it all the layers

2832
02:07:52,349 --> 02:07:49,899
to all the layers of conditioning

2833
02:07:54,449 --> 02:07:52,359
wounding doing shadow work to tap into

2834
02:07:56,250 --> 02:07:54,459
that like as it is said in esoteric

2835
02:07:58,559 --> 02:07:56,260
science what good you've talked about

2836
02:08:01,020 --> 02:07:58,569
about the need to grow the soul right

2837
02:08:02,969 --> 02:08:01,030
right and the whole aim of the matrix

2838
02:08:06,959 --> 02:08:02,979
control system with everything we see

2839
02:08:11,609 --> 02:08:06,969
out there GMOs chemtrails you know EMF

2840
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:11,619
and and and toxic food and and keeping

2841
02:08:15,779 --> 02:08:13,689
us head centric through technology is to

2842
02:08:18,839 --> 02:08:15,789
keep us on this lower frequency to not

2843
02:08:20,429 --> 02:08:18,849
raise the frequency because they don't

2844
02:08:22,199 --> 02:08:20,439
want to lose their food source because

2845
02:08:24,359 --> 02:08:22,209
on a deeper level we are being used as a

2846
02:08:26,879 --> 02:08:24,369
food source for these hyper dimensional

2847
02:08:28,529 --> 02:08:26,889
entities right it's literally like the

2848
02:08:31,169 --> 02:08:28,539
matrix right where human beings are

2849
02:08:32,849 --> 02:08:31,179
being used as batteries so we are being

2850
02:08:34,919 --> 02:08:32,859
kept in this lower state and the only

2851
02:08:37,799 --> 02:08:34,929
way to transcend it not just physically

2852
02:08:39,449 --> 02:08:37,809
getting away from all you know fight it

2853
02:08:41,909 --> 02:08:39,459
on a physical level which can be a trap

2854
02:08:43,409 --> 02:08:41,919
in itself but to transcend it through

2855
02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:43,419
this deeper inner work and then you

2856
02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:46,089
raised to a higher state of being and by

2857
02:08:49,889 --> 02:08:48,249
no means am i enlighten or totally awake

2858
02:08:52,529 --> 02:08:49,899
I still have my shitty days here and

2859
02:08:55,079 --> 02:08:52,539
they are going and out but definitely I

2860
02:08:57,179 --> 02:08:55,089
feel myself on a different level of

2861
02:08:59,219 --> 02:08:57,189
awareness and being than ten years ago

2862
02:09:01,290 --> 02:08:59,229
and when I was just getting you know

2863
02:09:03,779 --> 02:09:01,300
doing this or UFO documentary and all of

2864
02:09:05,609 --> 02:09:03,789
that right but for me my life philosophy

2865
02:09:07,470 --> 02:09:05,619
all these are lessons because when I

2866
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:07,480
look back everything there was a deeper

2867
02:09:11,220 --> 02:09:09,280
lesson within it right which I needed to

2868
02:09:12,690 --> 02:09:11,230
learn and integrate and not fall into

2869
02:09:15,390 --> 02:09:12,700
victim my vation

2870
02:09:17,340 --> 02:09:15,400
or blame which is very disempowering

2871
02:09:20,990 --> 02:09:17,350
state and just take responsibility for

2872
02:09:25,470 --> 02:09:21,000
my life how far did you go with gorgeous

2873
02:09:28,590 --> 02:09:25,480
Gurdjieff well I've been reading his

2874
02:09:31,410 --> 02:09:28,600
work and practicing his stuff for like I

2875
02:09:33,870 --> 02:09:31,420
don't know what they're 15 years now his

2876
02:09:36,540 --> 02:09:33,880
fourth way teaching and has helped me a

2877
02:09:38,190 --> 02:09:36,550
lot but also I don't you know I draw

2878
02:09:40,440 --> 02:09:38,200
from so many teachings I don't really

2879
02:09:43,340 --> 02:09:40,450
use one teaching as a foundation right I

2880
02:09:45,810 --> 02:09:43,350
get in Gurdjieff which is also based on

2881
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:45,820
esoteric Christianity which is the true

2882
02:09:50,070 --> 02:09:47,650
Christian teachings before the church

2883
02:09:52,950 --> 02:09:50,080
corrupted it which also gives a lot of

2884
02:09:54,510 --> 02:09:52,960
hints and and insight into the hyper

2885
02:09:56,550 --> 02:09:54,520
dimensional matrix which they call the

2886
02:09:59,190 --> 02:09:56,560
general law right virtue resides over

2887
02:10:01,050 --> 02:09:59,200
humanity and there's an amazing trilogy

2888
02:10:04,910 --> 02:10:01,060
by Boris Marathi it's called notice

2889
02:10:09,570 --> 02:10:04,920
based on as a Czech Christianity and

2890
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:09,580
Sufism as well I like I'm like Zen right

2891
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:12,010
and lately I've gotten into Sri

2892
02:10:16,770 --> 02:10:14,890
Aurobindo an integral yoga and you know

2893
02:10:18,660 --> 02:10:16,780
some shaman obviously shamanic teachings

2894
02:10:21,210 --> 02:10:18,670
I've spent a lot of time in Peru working

2895
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:21,220
with shamans and all of that so kind of

2896
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:23,530
like you know take things here and there

2897
02:10:28,110 --> 02:10:26,650
and and I need to also like good you

2898
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:28,120
said you know don't believe anything you

2899
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:30,400
have verified for yourself right so I

2900
02:10:35,850 --> 02:10:34,450
know I need to work with something that

2901
02:10:37,950 --> 02:10:35,860
resonates with me and also something I

2902
02:10:40,380 --> 02:10:37,960
can verify with myself within myself

2903
02:10:43,020 --> 02:10:40,390
right and it's constantly learning I'm

2904
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:43,030
always learning you know and there's

2905
02:10:47,340 --> 02:10:45,370
always lessons and but like we said

2906
02:10:49,380 --> 02:10:47,350
before what I also know and at our work

2907
02:10:50,790 --> 02:10:49,390
of others what works for one may not

2908
02:10:52,770 --> 02:10:50,800
work for another there are so many

2909
02:10:55,500 --> 02:10:52,780
different tabs model these teachings

2910
02:10:57,780 --> 02:10:55,510
right and really we need to find out

2911
02:11:00,510 --> 02:10:57,790
what works for ourselves and not get

2912
02:11:02,940 --> 02:11:00,520
caught into group pressure or groupthink

2913
02:11:05,670 --> 02:11:02,950
hive mind thinking right I'm all about

2914
02:11:07,500 --> 02:11:05,680
the individual because I realized the

2915
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:07,510
soul path for the awakening path is a

2916
02:11:12,270 --> 02:11:09,610
highly individual tab based on our

2917
02:11:15,150 --> 02:11:12,280
unique soul essence but also so talents

2918
02:11:16,860 --> 02:11:15,160
right and that is you know a lot of

2919
02:11:19,229 --> 02:11:16,870
what's coming up now in this day and age

2920
02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:19,239
there's so much right because the high

2921
02:11:23,770 --> 02:11:21,890
energies are increasing the

2922
02:11:25,540 --> 02:11:23,780
it's almost we're being bombarded of

2923
02:11:27,580 --> 02:11:25,550
this light energy but then the darkness

2924
02:11:29,050 --> 02:11:27,590
comes out more and more we seed money

2925
02:11:30,790 --> 02:11:29,060
faster than the outside world and the

2926
02:11:32,500 --> 02:11:30,800
craziness and I see those and a lot of

2927
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:32,510
people going through a lot of personal

2928
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:34,490
stuff right but this is the

2929
02:11:38,500 --> 02:11:36,320
transformation we're going to we're like

2930
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:38,510
in a birth canal right and every birth

2931
02:11:45,670 --> 02:11:40,970
is beautiful but also painful at the

2932
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:45,680
same time now you you talk about shadow

2933
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:48,410
work and for those in the audience that

2934
02:11:53,370 --> 02:11:50,570
don't know or not familiar with what

2935
02:11:57,430 --> 02:11:53,380
you're referring to what is it exactly

2936
02:11:59,950 --> 02:11:57,440
well shadow work I referred to the

2937
02:12:01,960 --> 02:11:59,960
concept of the shadow based on Carl Jung

2938
02:12:03,970 --> 02:12:01,970
called Jungian psychology called Jung a

2939
02:12:06,340 --> 02:12:03,980
psychologist who was actually a student

2940
02:12:08,530 --> 02:12:06,350
of Freud but then parted from him

2941
02:12:12,190 --> 02:12:08,540
because they didn't agree and he

2942
02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:12,200
released tremendous body of work and and

2943
02:12:16,420 --> 02:12:14,570
this you know more transpersonal

2944
02:12:18,700 --> 02:12:16,430
psychology right which also brings in

2945
02:12:20,830 --> 02:12:18,710
the spiritual aspect so to speak but

2946
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:20,840
shadow is basically your blind spot in

2947
02:12:24,070 --> 02:12:22,400
your nature Jung what's hidden in your

2948
02:12:27,070 --> 02:12:24,080
unconscious what you cannot see within

2949
02:12:28,990 --> 02:12:27,080
yourself right and everybody has a shed

2950
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:29,000
and we recognize the shadow we get

2951
02:12:35,380 --> 02:12:31,370
triggered like a trigger we project onto

2952
02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:35,390
others as Col Jung said and projecting

2953
02:12:40,120 --> 02:12:37,490
onto others is when we really like get

2954
02:12:44,040 --> 02:12:40,130
emotionally upset triggered by something

2955
02:12:46,330 --> 02:12:44,050
somebody said some or even just saw some

2956
02:12:49,000 --> 02:12:46,340
someone looks like and we just project

2957
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:49,010
all our emotional anger and I really

2958
02:12:53,980 --> 02:12:51,410
upset for somebody that shows that this

2959
02:12:56,320 --> 02:12:53,990
is actually our own stuff our own shadow

2960
02:13:00,250 --> 02:12:56,330
coming up which would project on to the

2961
02:13:02,650 --> 02:13:00,260
other person right so we are not aware

2962
02:13:04,300 --> 02:13:02,660
of that so through deeper inner work and

2963
02:13:06,130 --> 02:13:04,310
the different techniques or through

2964
02:13:09,190 --> 02:13:06,140
mirroring getting feedback from others

2965
02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:09,200
because most often the shadow is which

2966
02:13:14,140 --> 02:13:11,210
we carry is more obvious to others

2967
02:13:16,090 --> 02:13:14,150
around us than to us because we all have

2968
02:13:18,190 --> 02:13:16,100
our subjective blind spots right we all

2969
02:13:19,480 --> 02:13:18,200
have we're not if you're not awakened

2970
02:13:21,790 --> 02:13:19,490
and enlightened you have your blind

2971
02:13:24,130 --> 02:13:21,800
spots you have your wounds and stuff you

2972
02:13:25,660 --> 02:13:24,140
know the wealth and you become so used

2973
02:13:28,030 --> 02:13:25,670
to it and you build buffers like

2974
02:13:30,040 --> 02:13:28,040
gorgeous that offers an armor you know

2975
02:13:33,370 --> 02:13:30,050
that kind of push it back mounting

2976
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:33,380
unconscious and you see for example if

2977
02:13:35,530 --> 02:13:34,850
you don't make the darkness conscious

2978
02:13:37,690 --> 02:13:35,540
and really heal

2979
02:13:40,180 --> 02:13:37,700
on a psychological level at some point

2980
02:13:42,340 --> 02:13:40,190
it needs to come out and then most often

2981
02:13:45,820 --> 02:13:42,350
actually manifests in disease like

2982
02:13:48,460 --> 02:13:45,830
cancer for example if you actually what

2983
02:13:49,780 --> 02:13:48,470
I see is not just like based on toxins

2984
02:13:52,140 --> 02:13:49,790
and all this kind of stuff which can

2985
02:13:55,090 --> 02:13:52,150
trigger it surely but it's also

2986
02:13:58,270 --> 02:13:55,100
suppressed emotions right emotional

2987
02:14:00,820 --> 02:13:58,280
toxins exactly that we have to cover the

2988
02:14:03,340 --> 02:14:00,830
way of not you know living our true self

2989
02:14:05,260 --> 02:14:03,350
right and then just the body reacts

2990
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:05,270
because the body again is the mind right

2991
02:14:09,060 --> 02:14:07,010
that we need to also get into our body

2992
02:14:13,210 --> 02:14:09,070
and listen to the sickness of our body

2993
02:14:18,490 --> 02:14:13,220
now when somebody normally comes to you

2994
02:14:23,230 --> 02:14:18,500
they're already on the path right that

2995
02:14:26,290 --> 02:14:23,240
they're aware but how would you give

2996
02:14:30,100 --> 02:14:26,300
advice to somebody that hasn't been

2997
02:14:33,160 --> 02:14:30,110
exposed to girge if or young or or

2998
02:14:35,710 --> 02:14:33,170
Joseph Campbell and and our on this

2999
02:14:38,050 --> 02:14:35,720
life's journey or that they are seeking

3000
02:14:41,050 --> 02:14:38,060
it right that they haven't gone there

3001
02:14:43,270 --> 02:14:41,060
yet they haven't come to you but they're

3002
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:43,280
listening to this show how do you talk

3003
02:14:47,680 --> 02:14:44,650
to them right now

3004
02:14:50,050 --> 02:14:47,690
well if you've only sincere and answer

3005
02:14:52,420 --> 02:14:50,060
the call you know even if it's just in

3006
02:14:54,700 --> 02:14:52,430
the Bible ask and ask and knock and

3007
02:14:56,440 --> 02:14:54,710
knock and she'll be given there will be

3008
02:14:57,910 --> 02:14:56,450
forces you'll be led to the right book

3009
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:57,920
the right teaching whatever that it's

3010
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:00,800
really perfect for you specific well

3011
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:03,760
everybody but girge if you need it

3012
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:06,290
nobody did it yeah you need to wean

3013
02:15:09,910 --> 02:15:09,290
yourself in do Girja don't don't go gird

3014
02:15:11,860 --> 02:15:09,920
your first

3015
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:11,870
yeah well example lot of people ask me

3016
02:15:15,700 --> 02:15:13,850
like what you asking for book suggested

3017
02:15:18,130 --> 02:15:15,710
recommendations and like I cannot really

3018
02:15:19,750 --> 02:15:18,140
do that you know you can you know on my

3019
02:15:22,060 --> 02:15:19,760
writings a lot of coats and different

3020
02:15:24,010 --> 02:15:22,070
sources go by what would you resonate

3021
02:15:26,860 --> 02:15:24,020
with what you feel drawn to because

3022
02:15:29,320 --> 02:15:26,870
early in my life I would have good Jeff

3023
02:15:32,770 --> 02:15:29,330
was like in a later stage right that is

3024
02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:32,780
not for corner what beginners no no no

3025
02:15:38,530 --> 02:15:35,690
no no them completely thrown me off

3026
02:15:40,780 --> 02:15:38,540
right right right so I got I started

3027
02:15:42,610 --> 02:15:40,790
with like Ellen Watts basics kind of

3028
02:15:45,370 --> 02:15:42,620
like the spiritual insides and whatnot

3029
02:15:47,200 --> 02:15:45,380
right right there's no more tea and but

3030
02:15:48,660 --> 02:15:47,210
again in my life the right book or

3031
02:15:51,250 --> 02:15:48,670
teaching came

3032
02:15:53,860 --> 02:15:51,260
around there was perfect for where was

3033
02:15:56,500 --> 02:15:53,870
at in that moment so my advice is view

3034
02:15:58,450 --> 02:15:56,510
really sincere then open yourself up and

3035
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:58,460
you know go to a book store or browse

3036
02:16:02,770 --> 02:16:00,800
around and whatever you get your

3037
02:16:05,650 --> 02:16:02,780
attention what you feel intuitively

3038
02:16:07,210 --> 02:16:05,660
drawn to like you've got to respond that

3039
02:16:09,850 --> 02:16:07,220
that's something I would like to get

3040
02:16:12,130 --> 02:16:09,860
into follow that right all right that's

3041
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:12,140
that's the basic of issac and it can

3042
02:16:16,210 --> 02:16:14,480
give because everybody's path is really

3043
02:16:17,590 --> 02:16:16,220
unique and you need to find your own way

3044
02:16:20,830 --> 02:16:17,600
you know what I just thought of

3045
02:16:25,950 --> 02:16:20,840
something Bernhard yeah you and I need

3046
02:16:30,330 --> 02:16:25,960
to write the fourth way for dummies yeah

3047
02:16:33,700 --> 02:16:30,340
we think about that for a second right

3048
02:16:35,980 --> 02:16:33,710
you know you know you laugh that's a

3049
02:16:40,090 --> 02:16:35,990
pretty I'd it just hit me like a ton of

3050
02:16:45,850 --> 02:16:40,100
bricks a fourth way for dummies but well

3051
02:16:49,630 --> 02:16:45,860
it's that's a daunting project man man

3052
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:49,640
yeah and so back the shadow work though

3053
02:16:58,290 --> 02:16:52,010
that that is very very interesting

3054
02:17:01,410 --> 02:16:58,300
because those out there that may be

3055
02:17:03,490 --> 02:17:01,420
irritating right and they know that

3056
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:03,500
maybe they have a hard time making

3057
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:08,330
friends right or maybe maybe they are

3058
02:17:14,560 --> 02:17:10,370
constantly rubbing people the wrong way

3059
02:17:18,010 --> 02:17:14,570
and that is probably exactly it that

3060
02:17:20,500 --> 02:17:18,020
shadow of themselves is leaning on those

3061
02:17:22,600 --> 02:17:20,510
around them and they don't even know it

3062
02:17:25,300 --> 02:17:22,610
exactly even Carl Jung said I mean I'm

3063
02:17:27,100 --> 02:17:25,310
paraphrasing his quote but the people

3064
02:17:28,930 --> 02:17:27,110
that want to irritate you the most are

3065
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:28,940
your biggest teachers that's right

3066
02:17:32,560 --> 02:17:31,130
yeah the headmaster day for example

3067
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:32,570
right now what we're seeing with Trump

3068
02:17:36,730 --> 02:17:34,370
and everybody anybody who gets triggered

3069
02:17:38,320 --> 02:17:36,740
by that guy on upset boom in the end I

3070
02:17:40,750 --> 02:17:38,330
wrote an article about it Trump is

3071
02:17:42,970 --> 02:17:40,760
actually the teacher a teacher in the

3072
02:17:44,980 --> 02:17:42,980
sense right

3073
02:17:47,050 --> 02:17:44,990
not that he teaches but the way people

3074
02:17:49,150 --> 02:17:47,060
react to this person for this guy in all

3075
02:17:50,860 --> 02:17:49,160
this whatever tweets he does and so on

3076
02:17:53,470 --> 02:17:50,870
and you see speciality of liberals

3077
02:17:55,930 --> 02:17:53,480
getting whole all of you know project a

3078
02:17:58,050 --> 02:17:55,940
lot of hate and anger disgust on this

3079
02:18:01,300 --> 02:17:58,060
guy it's their shadow coming up yeah

3080
02:18:02,290 --> 02:18:01,310
instantaneous - yeah I mean they it

3081
02:18:07,089 --> 02:18:02,300
doesn't take

3082
02:18:10,509 --> 02:18:07,099
to set them look I have been around some

3083
02:18:14,259 --> 02:18:10,519
pretty intense conversations by just

3084
02:18:18,610 --> 02:18:14,269
saying the word Trump activex it's a

3085
02:18:22,179 --> 02:18:18,620
trigger word oh man you know and and

3086
02:18:27,250 --> 02:18:22,189
what's interesting about that is you got

3087
02:18:33,070 --> 02:18:27,260
both sides too right you have the anti

3088
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:33,080
and pro-trump triggers coming out and

3089
02:18:38,860 --> 02:18:36,649
full force and butting heads the sparks

3090
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:38,870
fly it's immediate you're absolutely

3091
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:41,120
right about that it's it's a fascinating

3092
02:18:46,980 --> 02:18:43,760
part of our society right now and we're

3093
02:18:48,280 --> 02:18:46,990
watching it play out in real time yeah

3094
02:18:52,240 --> 02:18:48,290
exactly

3095
02:18:54,730 --> 02:18:52,250
now a flooded - I wanted to go back

3096
02:18:55,900 --> 02:18:54,740
really quick and I can see now that

3097
02:18:58,030 --> 02:18:55,910
we're going to do a little bit of

3098
02:19:03,370 --> 02:18:58,040
overtime so that's fine I wanted to go

3099
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:03,380
back a little bit onto the the DMT

3100
02:19:11,679 --> 02:19:07,689
parallel-world alien aspect of things

3101
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:11,689
when when your friend had that

3102
02:19:24,250 --> 02:19:12,559
experience

3103
02:19:27,490 --> 02:19:24,260
not at that time but at any time with

3104
02:19:28,839 --> 02:19:27,500
DMT so deemed absolutely so like I

3105
02:19:32,980 --> 02:19:28,849
mentioned there are definitely entities

3106
02:19:35,290 --> 02:19:32,990
right and not like classical like gray

3107
02:19:38,110 --> 02:19:35,300
or whatever even I so reptilian entities

3108
02:19:39,700 --> 02:19:38,120
but it was not this clan fearful you

3109
02:19:41,950 --> 02:19:39,710
know whatever is depicted in many

3110
02:19:44,020 --> 02:19:41,960
drawings it was very just mechanically

3111
02:19:45,820 --> 02:19:44,030
shape-shifting weird it's really hard to

3112
02:19:48,250 --> 02:19:45,830
put into words really hard to describe

3113
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:48,260
in words that experience and what what

3114
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:50,720
you see you know to bring it back into

3115
02:19:56,590 --> 02:19:53,840
language but I just saw a whole world of

3116
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:56,600
intelligence and in many ways how they

3117
02:19:59,980 --> 02:19:58,399
kind of like don't take a series and

3118
02:20:04,059 --> 02:19:59,990
even look down on artists is like we're

3119
02:20:06,490 --> 02:20:04,069
like in a lower life form in the sense

3120
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:06,500
right but having said that I've got a

3121
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:08,810
beautiful amazing experiences of like

3122
02:20:13,420 --> 02:20:11,210
benevolent forces you know where I felt

3123
02:20:15,400 --> 02:20:13,430
just really healed like almost my DNA

3124
02:20:17,530 --> 02:20:15,410
restructured and all of that

3125
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:17,540
you know but I want to point out and

3126
02:20:21,340 --> 02:20:19,370
that note you know that any of that

3127
02:20:23,950 --> 02:20:21,350
medicine plans that DMT it's not a magic

3128
02:20:25,870 --> 02:20:23,960
pill and there are dangers in all of

3129
02:20:27,880 --> 02:20:25,880
that especially of ayahuasca as well

3130
02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:27,890
which I've experienced and written about

3131
02:20:32,980 --> 02:20:30,890
so it's not that black and white it can

3132
02:20:35,170 --> 02:20:32,990
be amazing in done in the right setting

3133
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:35,180
from a shamanic perspective and ceremony

3134
02:20:40,570 --> 02:20:38,210
but you know it can also be abused and

3135
02:20:42,910 --> 02:20:40,580
you can end up with and bring something

3136
02:20:45,790 --> 02:20:42,920
back an entity attachment right which

3137
02:20:47,650 --> 02:20:45,800
I've dealt with many many years ago I

3138
02:20:49,540 --> 02:20:47,660
didn't even know what it was back then

3139
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:49,550
and I've worked with people literally

3140
02:20:55,210 --> 02:20:52,640
who have taken an entity or literally

3141
02:20:57,280 --> 02:20:55,220
dealing with entity possession after

3142
02:21:03,940 --> 02:20:57,290
having gone to an ayahuasca retreat in

3143
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:03,950
Peru right the the the world that you

3144
02:21:12,790 --> 02:21:08,800
are entering on ayahuasca is it the same

3145
02:21:14,980 --> 02:21:12,800
world they should be because of the

3146
02:21:19,620 --> 02:21:14,990
chemical compositions of DMT and

3147
02:21:22,780 --> 02:21:19,630
ayahuasca is it the same on ayahuasca

3148
02:21:25,450 --> 02:21:22,790
just extended for a longer period of

3149
02:21:29,770 --> 02:21:25,460
time or is it another dimension

3150
02:21:34,210 --> 02:21:29,780
altogether I feel for me just DMT by

3151
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:34,220
itself is more intense than ayahuasca

3152
02:21:38,590 --> 02:21:37,130
and have of ayahuasca I always got the

3153
02:21:40,660 --> 02:21:38,600
blend of different plants oh there's a

3154
02:21:43,719 --> 02:21:40,670
one plant that contains DMT but it's

3155
02:21:45,880 --> 02:21:43,729
also the classical thing of ayahuasca

3156
02:21:47,770 --> 02:21:45,890
it's also called a pataga so the whole

3157
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:47,780
purging aspect and really you know

3158
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:49,520
they're throwing up and energetically

3159
02:21:52,900 --> 02:21:50,930
and just cleansing and all of that and

3160
02:21:54,700 --> 02:21:52,910
it comes in waves and we also depends on

3161
02:21:57,700 --> 02:21:54,710
the setting with the shaman and all of

3162
02:22:00,190 --> 02:21:57,710
that so you know sometimes I have the

3163
02:22:03,070 --> 02:22:00,200
saying you know DMT is like the trailer

3164
02:22:05,320 --> 02:22:03,080
you get all the if you get all the

3165
02:22:07,480 --> 02:22:05,330
lashkar's right right exactly and then

3166
02:22:11,170 --> 02:22:07,490
ayahuasca is more the feature film it

3167
02:22:12,639 --> 02:22:11,180
you know I think of the Oscar ceremonies

3168
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:12,649
maybe six hours or something like that

3169
02:22:20,830 --> 02:22:13,490
right

3170
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:20,840
and so in DMT that I've often heard I

3171
02:22:25,389 --> 02:22:22,970
haven't done it okay so let's be very

3172
02:22:29,020 --> 02:22:25,399
clear I've studied it I've been around

3173
02:22:31,570 --> 02:22:29,030
I've talked to so many experienced

3174
02:22:33,850 --> 02:22:31,580
with it and shamans I've you know I've

3175
02:22:36,430 --> 02:22:33,860
done my research here but the one thing

3176
02:22:40,780 --> 02:22:36,440
that I find really really interesting is

3177
02:22:44,260 --> 02:22:40,790
when somebody tells me that the DMT trip

3178
02:22:47,290 --> 02:22:44,270
or experience is ten minutes that 15

3179
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:47,300
minutes later I mean you're you're

3180
02:22:53,290 --> 02:22:50,690
straight but you remember everything I

3181
02:22:57,130 --> 02:22:53,300
mean how is that possible I mean can you

3182
02:23:05,230 --> 02:22:57,140
literally an hour after taking a hit of

3183
02:23:06,580 --> 02:23:05,240
DMT can you drive a car yeah oh you know

3184
02:23:09,370 --> 02:23:06,590
it is it is hard to put into words

3185
02:23:11,620 --> 02:23:09,380
because once here's the thing with DMT

3186
02:23:14,410 --> 02:23:11,630
and Richard dr. Rick Strassman talks

3187
02:23:16,620 --> 02:23:14,420
about it it it is already your pineal

3188
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:16,630
gland produces DMT dimethyltryptamine

3189
02:23:21,010 --> 02:23:19,010
you know actually that's when you dream

3190
02:23:25,900 --> 02:23:21,020
you at night your pineal gland is

3191
02:23:27,880 --> 02:23:25,910
excrete excreting DMT and on Strasberg's

3192
02:23:32,830 --> 02:23:27,890
research here's the hypothesis you know

3193
02:23:35,230 --> 02:23:32,840
that the onion produces related DMT and

3194
02:23:36,970 --> 02:23:35,240
that the penny organ also releases DMT

3195
02:23:40,030 --> 02:23:36,980
at the moment of birth and at the moment

3196
02:23:42,280 --> 02:23:40,040
of death so he his hypothesis that the

3197
02:23:45,070 --> 02:23:42,290
pineal gland and DMT relates to the

3198
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:45,080
enter and the exit of the soul which is

3199
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:48,560
really fascinating right so hence when I

3200
02:23:53,020 --> 02:23:50,690
had my DMT expensive the cell so

3201
02:23:56,740 --> 02:23:53,030
familiar like oh I'm back home kind of

3202
02:23:59,020 --> 02:23:56,750
thing right so there's that but because

3203
02:23:59,890 --> 02:23:59,030
it's you're tripping on your body own

3204
02:24:02,080 --> 02:23:59,900
chemical

3205
02:24:05,140 --> 02:24:02,090
your body recognizes it right away and

3206
02:24:07,180 --> 02:24:05,150
synthesizes that that quick right so

3207
02:24:10,480 --> 02:24:07,190
when you take a hit of DMT it goes so

3208
02:24:11,620 --> 02:24:10,490
fast and you really have to like work on

3209
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:11,630
the technique to get the right hit

3210
02:24:15,430 --> 02:24:13,010
because the moment you inhale at you

3211
02:24:18,100 --> 02:24:15,440
you're going you're gone the the

3212
02:24:20,620 --> 02:24:18,110
physical room dissolves so it goes

3213
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:20,630
really really quick and then these ten

3214
02:24:24,430 --> 02:24:22,610
minutes are like an eternity right

3215
02:24:26,740 --> 02:24:24,440
you're completely somewhere else and

3216
02:24:28,990 --> 02:24:26,750
then you come back if you come back into

3217
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:29,000
your body boom boom boom and you feel

3218
02:24:32,860 --> 02:24:31,040
that mid back as I say and then you

3219
02:24:34,420 --> 02:24:32,870
still feel that you feel the lightness

3220
02:24:36,490 --> 02:24:34,430
you feel more your energy body now

3221
02:24:38,620 --> 02:24:36,500
usually I like doing some Qi Gong or Tai

3222
02:24:41,350 --> 02:24:38,630
Chi or meditation right after so it

3223
02:24:42,761 --> 02:24:41,360
still lingers with you for a while but

3224
02:24:46,421 --> 02:24:42,771
then definitely often

3225
02:24:52,091 --> 02:24:46,431
our so your silver completely silver is

3226
02:24:54,461 --> 02:24:52,101
it possible to trigger it without DMT

3227
02:24:56,381 --> 02:24:54,471
I mean without smoking it absolutely I

3228
02:24:58,001 --> 02:24:56,391
mean that's traditional shamans would

3229
02:25:00,280 --> 02:24:58,011
have done through trance drumming for

3230
02:25:02,970 --> 02:25:00,290
example right whole point is to get

3231
02:25:05,230 --> 02:25:02,980
yourself drumming Trent and then on a

3232
02:25:08,921 --> 02:25:05,240
chemical level your pineal Grendon

3233
02:25:12,220 --> 02:25:08,931
releases DMT you know or what also some

3234
02:25:14,081 --> 02:25:12,230
Yogi's do with just you know completely

3235
02:25:16,390 --> 02:25:14,091
darkness and breathwork

3236
02:25:19,961 --> 02:25:16,400
intense breath can trigger that as well

3237
02:25:23,100 --> 02:25:19,971
and sleep deprivation and all of that so

3238
02:25:25,541 --> 02:25:23,110
there other techniques you can do to

3239
02:25:28,360 --> 02:25:25,551
expense that quote-unquote naturally

3240
02:25:30,820 --> 02:25:28,370
yeah and what about an adrenaline rush

3241
02:25:33,100 --> 02:25:30,830
and that hallucination that could come

3242
02:25:35,730 --> 02:25:33,110
along with that like maybe it could be

3243
02:25:38,350 --> 02:25:35,740
anything triggering it a car crash or

3244
02:25:40,631 --> 02:25:38,360
dropping off of a roller coaster you

3245
02:25:42,940 --> 02:25:40,641
know jumping out of an airplane you know

3246
02:25:45,551 --> 02:25:42,950
that adrenaline rush yeah anything which

3247
02:25:47,650 --> 02:25:45,561
is kind of like yeah absolutely you know

3248
02:25:50,530 --> 02:25:47,660
I don't I don't have I'm not into

3249
02:25:52,841 --> 02:25:50,540
extreme sports but maybe that's why

3250
02:25:57,491 --> 02:25:52,851
people do it yeah yeah I mean it may it

3251
02:25:59,711 --> 02:25:57,501
makes a lot of sense and the the

3252
02:26:02,801 --> 02:25:59,721
adrenaline rush like when you die and

3253
02:26:05,440 --> 02:26:02,811
you hear the you know your life flashes

3254
02:26:08,501 --> 02:26:05,450
before your eyes I've often thought that

3255
02:26:12,030 --> 02:26:08,511
is probably the pineal gland and DMT

3256
02:26:15,100 --> 02:26:12,040
just kicking off with an immense rush of

3257
02:26:16,541 --> 02:26:15,110
adrenaline that is forcing this to

3258
02:26:19,541 --> 02:26:16,551
happen you're not seeing your life

3259
02:26:22,930 --> 02:26:19,551
before your eyes well you you are but it

3260
02:26:25,390 --> 02:26:22,940
is a it is a massive DMT push yeah

3261
02:26:27,220 --> 02:26:25,400
that's exactly also relates to the Rick

3262
02:26:29,230 --> 02:26:27,230
Strassman theory what you just mentioned

3263
02:26:30,341 --> 02:26:29,240
exactly yeah I mean it would just make

3264
02:26:32,741 --> 02:26:30,351
an awful lot of sense

3265
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:32,751
so therefore go jump off a building if

3266
02:26:37,241 --> 02:26:35,690
you don't want to smoke DMT let's take a

3267
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break right here can I keep you for an

3268
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extra 10 minutes absolutely that's what

3269
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I'm talking about Bernard Gunther is our

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3353
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3359
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Bernard I wanted to kind of jump into

3360
02:31:55,461 --> 02:31:50,420
this today it seems that we are getting

3361
02:31:57,761 --> 02:31:55,471
a et alien contact information on a

3362
02:32:01,671 --> 02:31:57,771
daily basis whether it's from NASA

3363
02:32:03,890 --> 02:32:01,681
exoplanets fast radio bursts sightings

3364
02:32:07,190 --> 02:32:03,900
video the government talking about it

3365
02:32:10,100 --> 02:32:07,200
we've got the space Corps that is a you

3366
02:32:12,921 --> 02:32:10,110
know being formed which is probably

3367
02:32:17,540 --> 02:32:12,931
already in existence but we're getting

3368
02:32:20,810 --> 02:32:17,550
this thing every single day now what is

3369
02:32:24,171 --> 02:32:20,820
it is it a slow movement towards

3370
02:32:26,980 --> 02:32:24,181
disclosure and do you feel like there is

3371
02:32:30,500 --> 02:32:26,990
something that is about to break open

3372
02:32:32,961 --> 02:32:30,510
well yeah observed it a lot but you know

3373
02:32:35,060 --> 02:32:32,971
I've kind of like taking a distance from

3374
02:32:37,640 --> 02:32:35,070
this whole scene so to speak because I

3375
02:32:39,020 --> 02:32:37,650
see honestly like from where I come from

3376
02:32:41,360 --> 02:32:39,030
what I've experienced and what I

3377
02:32:44,470 --> 02:32:41,370
research there's a lot of nonsense out

3378
02:32:47,330 --> 02:32:44,480
there a lot of false claims and

3379
02:32:50,570 --> 02:32:47,340
so-called whistle blows popping up here

3380
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:50,580
and there and but a lot of it is I feel

3381
02:32:55,421 --> 02:32:52,170
there's a desert deception in all of

3382
02:33:00,140 --> 02:32:55,431
that right and not to sound negative

3383
02:33:02,631 --> 02:33:00,150
because first it's khlo

3384
02:33:05,150 --> 02:33:02,641
okay you're breaking up we've what we

3385
02:33:08,180 --> 02:33:05,160
want to I need you to repeat all of that

3386
02:33:12,680 --> 02:33:08,190
you were breaking up hello can you hear

3387
02:33:14,060 --> 02:33:12,690
me yeah I've got you cut it uh know what

3388
02:33:17,180 --> 02:33:14,070
I'm saying that a lot of that you know

3389
02:33:19,881 --> 02:33:17,190
Peggy did you want to call me back yeah

3390
02:33:22,881 --> 02:33:19,891
we're we're dropping out just just stay

3391
02:33:25,070 --> 02:33:22,891
right there I I'm just going to reset

3392
02:33:27,770 --> 02:33:25,080
right here in real time and you know

3393
02:33:29,750 --> 02:33:27,780
it's funny when we do this when

3394
02:33:31,261 --> 02:33:29,760
everybody listens to this on the

3395
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:31,271
archives it won't be there

3396
02:33:35,820 --> 02:33:33,690
Renard go ahead let's start over again

3397
02:33:38,100 --> 02:33:35,830
okay interesting to have them in defense

3398
02:33:40,291 --> 02:33:38,110
here right now on the Suffolk at that

3399
02:33:42,661 --> 02:33:40,301
moment see this front of I don't even

3400
02:33:44,841 --> 02:33:42,671
care anymore man I'm just so relaxed

3401
02:33:47,131 --> 02:33:44,851
with it all yeah we get used to it

3402
02:33:48,841 --> 02:33:47,141
totally totally okay so back to

3403
02:33:53,131 --> 02:33:48,851
disclosure what do you think is going on

3404
02:33:54,661 --> 02:33:53,141
I see her and said before were like I'm

3405
02:33:56,610 --> 02:33:54,671
paying a distance I'm more like an

3406
02:33:58,890 --> 02:33:56,620
observer to see what's going on there

3407
02:34:01,831 --> 02:33:58,900
and I see a lot of craziness a lot of

3408
02:34:03,421 --> 02:34:01,841
for my point of view base of my research

3409
02:34:06,121 --> 02:34:03,431
and experience or of disinformation that

3410
02:34:07,770 --> 02:34:06,131
is promoted as truth a lot of like you

3411
02:34:11,671 --> 02:34:07,780
know very prolific people making all

3412
02:34:13,801 --> 02:34:11,681
kinds of claims which I questioned so go

3413
02:34:17,251 --> 02:34:13,811
contactees and whistleblowers and all of

3414
02:34:20,041 --> 02:34:17,261
that and for me you know when we talk

3415
02:34:21,841 --> 02:34:20,051
about disclosure who's going to disclose

3416
02:34:25,110 --> 02:34:21,851
what that's you might ask the question

3417
02:34:27,060 --> 02:34:25,120
in that in that film right because

3418
02:34:28,291 --> 02:34:27,070
government is never going even Richard

3419
02:34:30,270 --> 02:34:28,301
Dolan talked about this well the

3420
02:34:32,131 --> 02:34:30,280
government official government doesn't

3421
02:34:33,930 --> 02:34:32,141
even really know what's going on right

3422
02:34:35,820 --> 02:34:33,940
there secret government and all kinds of

3423
02:34:37,890 --> 02:34:35,830
projects which even the president has no

3424
02:34:40,230 --> 02:34:37,900
clue about in all of that so we won't

3425
02:34:42,360 --> 02:34:40,240
see any disclosure from the government

3426
02:34:44,041 --> 02:34:42,370
anytime soon if we see disclosure if

3427
02:34:46,201 --> 02:34:44,051
there's maybe a conditioning of the

3428
02:34:47,671 --> 02:34:46,211
masses for disclosure you can bet

3429
02:34:50,190 --> 02:34:47,681
yourself it's going to be full of lies

3430
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:50,200
and distortions because there's no way

3431
02:34:54,541 --> 02:34:52,570
the full truth a little bit disclosed

3432
02:34:57,900 --> 02:34:54,551
there will be giving away the whole

3433
02:34:59,911 --> 02:34:57,910
matrix set up of the whole because if

3434
02:35:02,341 --> 02:34:59,921
you disclose the truth of the UFO

3435
02:35:04,470 --> 02:35:02,351
phenomenon and all these topics you

3436
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:04,480
cannot not disclose the hyper

3437
02:35:09,690 --> 02:35:06,490
dimensional aspect and abductions and

3438
02:35:12,091 --> 02:35:09,700
all the more dark aspects of people deny

3439
02:35:14,430 --> 02:35:12,101
or don't want to log into that is part

3440
02:35:16,201 --> 02:35:14,440
of it right and how we are being

3441
02:35:18,480 --> 02:35:16,211
controlled on these unseen levels so I

3442
02:35:21,360 --> 02:35:18,490
feel a lot of it is counterintelligence

3443
02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:21,370
and a distraction and like keeping

3444
02:35:26,730 --> 02:35:23,410
people always I mean I've lost count

3445
02:35:29,400 --> 02:35:26,740
often I've heard predictions from again

3446
02:35:31,980 --> 02:35:29,410
prolific people out there that there

3447
02:35:33,511 --> 02:35:31,990
will be disclosure then Obama's go was

3448
02:35:36,211 --> 02:35:33,521
going to disclose it evolve we disclose

3449
02:35:38,581 --> 02:35:36,221
it to those nine ten whatever it never

3450
02:35:40,921 --> 02:35:38,591
happened right so it's like almost like

3451
02:35:42,661 --> 02:35:40,931
the carrot you know in front of the move

3452
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:42,671
always dangling that disclosure

3453
02:35:47,671 --> 02:35:44,650
disclosure disclosure

3454
02:35:49,560 --> 02:35:47,681
but I don't see it happening right I see

3455
02:35:52,110 --> 02:35:49,570
it's more like is it part of the

3456
02:35:54,121 --> 02:35:52,120
distraction so to speak to P key people

3457
02:35:55,831 --> 02:35:54,131
preoccupied especially nowadays what I

3458
02:35:57,660 --> 02:35:55,841
see with all the information on the

3459
02:35:59,371 --> 02:35:57,670
internet which is great that we have the

3460
02:36:01,921 --> 02:35:59,381
internet obviously to share an

3461
02:36:05,160 --> 02:36:01,931
information research but it's even more

3462
02:36:08,700 --> 02:36:05,170
junk out there and that's how the you

3463
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:08,710
know count intelligence and and control

3464
02:36:12,780 --> 02:36:10,570
opposition works as well to put in false

3465
02:36:15,450 --> 02:36:12,790
information to keep us on the wrong

3466
02:36:18,150 --> 02:36:15,460
track so to speak right so you need to

3467
02:36:19,430 --> 02:36:18,160
be very very discerning what I also see

3468
02:36:21,751 --> 02:36:19,440
is a lot of sensationalism

3469
02:36:24,091 --> 02:36:21,761
sensationalism what people get addicted

3470
02:36:26,131 --> 02:36:24,101
or attached to right it's not even it's

3471
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:26,141
not all it's not about seeking truth

3472
02:36:30,961 --> 02:36:29,200
anymore really objective and being bit

3473
02:36:32,850 --> 02:36:30,971
more scientific about it and all of that

3474
02:36:35,990 --> 02:36:32,860
but people want to hear the newest

3475
02:36:38,961 --> 02:36:36,000
experiences or the newest revelation

3476
02:36:41,761 --> 02:36:38,971
almost like a tabloid style right and

3477
02:36:43,350 --> 02:36:41,771
unfortunately what I see happening in

3478
02:36:45,060 --> 02:36:43,360
the alternative media a lot it's

3479
02:36:46,520 --> 02:36:45,070
becoming a bit more like the mainstream

3480
02:36:49,650 --> 02:36:46,530
media is all about

3481
02:36:51,180 --> 02:36:49,660
clickbait quotes getting more target

3482
02:36:55,291 --> 02:36:51,190
audience this too knew this information

3483
02:36:58,051 --> 02:36:55,301
and all of that so you know the truth

3484
02:37:00,150 --> 02:36:58,061
work of reveal itself or come out in

3485
02:37:03,240 --> 02:37:00,160
doses here and there but I don't see a

3486
02:37:05,910 --> 02:37:03,250
full disclosure of the truth happening

3487
02:37:08,070 --> 02:37:05,920
anytime soon well there's there's a few

3488
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:08,080
different there's a few different things

3489
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:11,530
in play here we have the world in

3490
02:37:19,671 --> 02:37:16,000
general will always go see a great UFO

3491
02:37:22,831 --> 02:37:19,681
flick right Hollywood biggest Star Wars

3492
02:37:25,020 --> 02:37:22,841
transformers you know you want a

3493
02:37:28,680 --> 02:37:25,030
successful movie make it about aliens

3494
02:37:32,041 --> 02:37:28,690
and and there you go so there's no

3495
02:37:34,650 --> 02:37:32,051
question that the public starves for

3496
02:37:37,051 --> 02:37:34,660
that they enjoy that you have that then

3497
02:37:40,350 --> 02:37:37,061
on the flipside because the government

3498
02:37:44,671 --> 02:37:40,360
knows this they will target certain

3499
02:37:46,890 --> 02:37:44,681
groups and individuals and feed them

3500
02:37:48,600 --> 02:37:46,900
information right they come in to go

3501
02:37:51,900 --> 02:37:48,610
okay man you know from the government

3502
02:37:53,461 --> 02:37:51,910
here's a PII we like what you're saying

3503
02:37:56,200 --> 02:37:53,471
we like what you're doing here is a

3504
02:37:59,980 --> 02:37:56,210
document here's a piece of information

3505
02:38:02,260 --> 02:37:59,990
and and we're your friend and and we

3506
02:38:05,620 --> 02:38:02,270
like you well people want to hear that

3507
02:38:08,520 --> 02:38:05,630
so they hear that and they feel

3508
02:38:11,620 --> 02:38:08,530
important and then they get fed

3509
02:38:14,110 --> 02:38:11,630
disinformation and they put out that

3510
02:38:16,510 --> 02:38:14,120
dissing ferment and it has happened it's

3511
02:38:19,180 --> 02:38:16,520
probably happening right now with

3512
02:38:22,540 --> 02:38:19,190
probably 10 10 or 20 different

3513
02:38:26,110 --> 02:38:22,550
individuals in in ufology and they don't

3514
02:38:30,100 --> 02:38:26,120
even know it and yes and and there's no

3515
02:38:33,940 --> 02:38:30,110
question that this is going on why

3516
02:38:37,030 --> 02:38:33,950
because the the UFO community and the

3517
02:38:40,900 --> 02:38:37,040
world in general want and stars for this

3518
02:38:42,550 --> 02:38:40,910
information so they accepted and it's

3519
02:38:45,580 --> 02:38:42,560
part of the world that we live in today

3520
02:38:49,360 --> 02:38:45,590
and it happens all the time and it's not

3521
02:38:52,570 --> 02:38:49,370
only with ufology it's with anything

3522
02:38:56,620 --> 02:38:52,580
when it comes to the media and mass

3523
02:38:58,630 --> 02:38:56,630
media that they they know that people

3524
02:39:01,570 --> 02:38:58,640
will read and people will click and

3525
02:39:03,340 --> 02:39:01,580
people will believe and but it and I

3526
02:39:07,360 --> 02:39:03,350
don't know how we got stuck in this

3527
02:39:10,090 --> 02:39:07,370
circle of of you know this catch-22 but

3528
02:39:13,480 --> 02:39:10,100
we certainly are here with that today

3529
02:39:15,610 --> 02:39:13,490
yeah they very well said Jimmy it's so

3530
02:39:17,500 --> 02:39:15,620
true what I see a lot of this

3531
02:39:19,719 --> 02:39:17,510
information it's not necessarily that a

3532
02:39:21,400 --> 02:39:19,729
lot of people you've ology spread

3533
02:39:23,020 --> 02:39:21,410
disinformation on purpose and that they

3534
02:39:24,880 --> 02:39:23,030
are conscious agents but I call them

3535
02:39:26,950 --> 02:39:24,890
like unconscious agents like you said

3536
02:39:28,570 --> 02:39:26,960
it's just like maybe they got some

3537
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:28,580
information that you go got hooked and

3538
02:39:32,380 --> 02:39:31,130
will they believe it and you know they

3539
02:39:34,719 --> 02:39:32,390
trust it and just put it out there

3540
02:39:37,660 --> 02:39:34,729
believing it and spread this information

3541
02:39:40,719 --> 02:39:37,670
right believing it to be true but not

3542
02:39:43,150 --> 02:39:40,729
purposely trying to deceive right so

3543
02:39:46,570 --> 02:39:43,160
that's that's unfortunately definitely

3544
02:39:49,150 --> 02:39:46,580
issue right well and then then there's

3545
02:39:51,430 --> 02:39:49,160
the other part of this where you know I

3546
02:39:53,770 --> 02:39:51,440
don't need disclosure because I've seen

3547
02:39:55,540 --> 02:39:53,780
things in the sky just like you right I

3548
02:39:58,870 --> 02:39:55,550
know that there is something going on

3549
02:40:00,580 --> 02:39:58,880
right now of as we do this broadcast

3550
02:40:03,430 --> 02:40:00,590
there's something in the skies right now

3551
02:40:06,100 --> 02:40:03,440
if I could leave the bunker if you could

3552
02:40:07,930 --> 02:40:06,110
go outside right now in Topanga and look

3553
02:40:09,761 --> 02:40:07,940
up with some night vision you're going

3554
02:40:12,850 --> 02:40:09,771
to see something crazy

3555
02:40:15,490 --> 02:40:12,860
so I know that this is going on but but

3556
02:40:18,280 --> 02:40:15,500
the other part of it that we need to be

3557
02:40:19,841 --> 02:40:18,290
aware of and you mentioned this earlier

3558
02:40:22,600 --> 02:40:19,851
and I think it's a really great point

3559
02:40:25,150 --> 02:40:22,610
whether it's a channeler or it's a

3560
02:40:28,180 --> 02:40:25,160
contactee or it's an experiencer or

3561
02:40:31,540 --> 02:40:28,190
researcher or whistleblower you need to

3562
02:40:34,330 --> 02:40:31,550
just listen to everybody you have to

3563
02:40:37,450 --> 02:40:34,340
what you which you take from it is up to

3564
02:40:38,980 --> 02:40:37,460
you but you have to listen to all of the

3565
02:40:41,290 --> 02:40:38,990
dialogue you have to listen to

3566
02:40:44,020 --> 02:40:41,300
everything if you start to dismiss one

3567
02:40:46,381 --> 02:40:44,030
or the other you're damaging yourself

3568
02:40:50,261 --> 02:40:46,391
you really need to listen to everybody

3569
02:40:52,091 --> 02:40:50,271
yeah yeah listening but also like apply

3570
02:40:54,580 --> 02:40:52,101
some basic critical thinking and not

3571
02:40:55,870 --> 02:40:54,590
just go you know there's one fallacy

3572
02:40:57,700 --> 02:40:55,880
which I've written about lately as well

3573
02:40:59,261 --> 02:40:57,710
people claim a lot of fish in this day

3574
02:41:02,290 --> 02:40:59,271
and age oh this must be true because I

3575
02:41:04,440 --> 02:41:02,300
resonate with it right right and there's

3576
02:41:07,301 --> 02:41:04,450
truth to the idea of resonating I've

3577
02:41:09,820 --> 02:41:07,311
expanded myself but it can also be

3578
02:41:11,890 --> 02:41:09,830
misapplied if we mistake resonating for

3579
02:41:14,080 --> 02:41:11,900
wishful thinking in a most projection

3580
02:41:16,301 --> 02:41:14,090
want to believe something so badly that

3581
02:41:18,430 --> 02:41:16,311
it's actually not true resonating but

3582
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:18,440
it's an emotional projection right and

3583
02:41:23,020 --> 02:41:20,960
then that's how actually New Age Control

3584
02:41:25,930 --> 02:41:23,030
Pro and disinformation works to tag that

3585
02:41:27,341 --> 02:41:25,940
emotional you know feel-good information

3586
02:41:29,530 --> 02:41:27,351
just because something makes you feel

3587
02:41:32,020 --> 02:41:29,540
good it sounds great and amazing doesn't

3588
02:41:33,540 --> 02:41:32,030
necessarily it's true just like when you

3589
02:41:36,370 --> 02:41:33,550
get information it makes you fearful

3590
02:41:38,921 --> 02:41:36,380
right doesn't mean it's not true either

3591
02:41:41,320 --> 02:41:38,931
just because you experience fear so

3592
02:41:43,450 --> 02:41:41,330
that's why in all of that it goes back

3593
02:41:45,551 --> 02:41:43,460
to the point I was making the beginning

3594
02:41:46,841 --> 02:41:45,561
of the table just my work what work is

3595
02:41:49,540 --> 02:41:46,851
all about it's seeking truth out there

3596
02:41:52,180 --> 02:41:49,550
but also the inner work we need to clean

3597
02:41:56,261 --> 02:41:52,190
our inner work our own conditioning our

3598
02:41:58,720 --> 02:41:56,271
bias our shadow work our you know false

3599
02:42:00,761 --> 02:41:58,730
beliefs we have to clear that so we can

3600
02:42:02,680 --> 02:42:00,771
find and connect to this true mobile

3601
02:42:05,261 --> 02:42:02,690
then and connect to this true resonance

3602
02:42:08,381 --> 02:42:05,271
and not mistake it for wishful thinking

3603
02:42:10,930 --> 02:42:08,391
or emotional projection right and then

3604
02:42:12,310 --> 02:42:10,940
we we can apply it and then also use

3605
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:12,320
logic and critical thinking obviously

3606
02:42:17,350 --> 02:42:15,650
even though the logic combined has its

3607
02:42:20,140 --> 02:42:17,360
limitations obviously only deal with the

3608
02:42:23,230 --> 02:42:20,150
five senses but I see people believing

3609
02:42:25,690 --> 02:42:23,240
too easily too fast right and and

3610
02:42:27,841 --> 02:42:25,700
you know a miss apply the word

3611
02:42:31,690 --> 02:42:27,851
resonating for example a lot of

3612
02:42:33,761 --> 02:42:31,700
fundamentalist Christians truly resonate

3613
02:42:35,410 --> 02:42:33,771
with the Bible in little terms and think

3614
02:42:39,881 --> 02:42:35,420
the earth is only five thousand years

3615
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:39,891
old right so well and and and this is

3616
02:42:46,450 --> 02:42:41,690
what's really funny with what you just

3617
02:42:49,990 --> 02:42:46,460
said I actually have the opposite point

3618
02:42:54,280 --> 02:42:50,000
of view I think you should find the

3619
02:42:56,620 --> 02:42:54,290
person that you resonate with and and

3620
02:42:59,381 --> 02:42:56,630
and feel comfortable in that zone

3621
02:43:02,320 --> 02:42:59,391
whether it's Richard Dolan right you

3622
02:43:05,830 --> 02:43:02,330
resonate with his message right well

3623
02:43:08,381 --> 02:43:05,840
that's okay if you resonate with the

3624
02:43:13,270 --> 02:43:08,391
Betty and Barney Hill story or Travis

3625
02:43:16,330 --> 02:43:13,280
Walton or Rendlesham or or aliens I have

3626
02:43:20,350 --> 02:43:16,340
stopped nuclear war whatever whatever it

3627
02:43:23,470 --> 02:43:20,360
may be if you resonate with that that's

3628
02:43:27,551 --> 02:43:23,480
okay you know what you don't want to do

3629
02:43:29,740 --> 02:43:27,561
is close off somebody because somebody

3630
02:43:31,841 --> 02:43:29,750
else didn't resonate with that person

3631
02:43:34,511 --> 02:43:31,851
right and they tell you something

3632
02:43:36,070 --> 02:43:34,521
negative and now you are cut off from

3633
02:43:38,470 --> 02:43:36,080
something that you may find actually

3634
02:43:41,381 --> 02:43:38,480
totally wonderful or interesting and

3635
02:43:43,930 --> 02:43:41,391
that that's my take I think that

3636
02:43:46,180 --> 02:43:43,940
resonating with somebody is great it may

3637
02:43:49,330 --> 02:43:46,190
be a musician what if you resin you know

3638
02:43:51,610 --> 02:43:49,340
a eddie van halen right great guitar

3639
02:43:52,930 --> 02:43:51,620
player but somebody tells you hi Eddie

3640
02:43:55,211 --> 02:43:52,940
Van Halen sucks

3641
02:43:57,070 --> 02:43:55,221
well the next thing you know you don't

3642
02:43:59,650 --> 02:43:57,080
go and listen to that musician because

3643
02:44:02,080 --> 02:43:59,660
you listen to somebody else and I think

3644
02:44:03,700 --> 02:44:02,090
that's dangerous right what else knew

3645
02:44:09,881 --> 02:44:03,710
that you cannot argue about taste is so

3646
02:44:11,801 --> 02:44:09,891
subjective oh yeah totally totally but

3647
02:44:13,511 --> 02:44:11,811
but you know I always want to say I I

3648
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:13,521
see where you're coming from but my

3649
02:44:17,591 --> 02:44:15,530
point was just the idea of resonating

3650
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:17,601
itself like totally you need everybody

3651
02:44:22,060 --> 02:44:19,610
in their own path need to figure things

3652
02:44:24,761 --> 02:44:22,070
of whatever you're drawn to absolutely

3653
02:44:27,341 --> 02:44:24,771
but speaking for myself I know that I in

3654
02:44:29,410 --> 02:44:27,351
the past not very being very discerning

3655
02:44:30,040 --> 02:44:29,420
not really having done a lot of inner

3656
02:44:33,280 --> 02:44:30,050
work

3657
02:44:35,711 --> 02:44:33,290
I have resonated of lies with fled out

3658
02:44:37,030 --> 02:44:35,721
disinformation and lies because I wanted

3659
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:37,040
to do be true because it's down

3660
02:44:42,280 --> 02:44:40,130
fascinating and emotionally excited and

3661
02:44:44,920 --> 02:44:42,290
I had mistook it for resonating so I'm

3662
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:44,930
just about the term resonating in itself

3663
02:44:50,980 --> 02:44:48,800
right and you're exactly right there and

3664
02:44:53,080 --> 02:44:50,990
I and I totally get that but if you

3665
02:44:54,610 --> 02:44:53,090
didn't have that experience then you

3666
02:44:57,280 --> 02:44:54,620
wouldn't have you would know how to

3667
02:44:58,960 --> 02:44:57,290
practice discernment that's true that's

3668
02:45:01,600 --> 02:44:58,970
a good way that that goes back to all

3669
02:45:04,720 --> 02:45:01,610
there's a lessons right there are 100%

3670
02:45:07,000 --> 02:45:04,730
100% in this field is all trial and

3671
02:45:09,340 --> 02:45:07,010
error like it's not like on my path I

3672
02:45:11,500 --> 02:45:09,350
just week through it like okay this is

3673
02:45:14,050 --> 02:45:11,510
I'm on mission and know everything this

3674
02:45:16,270 --> 02:45:14,060
is truth and lies no I've been it's a

3675
02:45:18,820 --> 02:45:16,280
labyrinth I go to dead ends okay this is

3676
02:45:20,740 --> 02:45:18,830
not going anywhere like this doesn't

3677
02:45:23,230 --> 02:45:20,750
make sense this is a path here let's

3678
02:45:24,790 --> 02:45:23,240
follow this right and then but the more

3679
02:45:27,370 --> 02:45:24,800
as you progress on the path and

3680
02:45:29,560 --> 02:45:27,380
especially incorporate the inner work

3681
02:45:32,530 --> 02:45:29,570
the Cynthiana work your comp ass comes

3682
02:45:34,600 --> 02:45:32,540
much better lined with truth and also

3683
02:45:37,780 --> 02:45:34,610
with your inner soul calling right right

3684
02:45:39,820 --> 02:45:37,790
and and your personal path yeah and you

3685
02:45:43,300 --> 02:45:39,830
know I've done so many interviews and so

3686
02:45:45,220 --> 02:45:43,310
many conversations where I've had from

3687
02:45:47,700 --> 02:45:45,230
day to day or month to month and you

3688
02:45:52,060 --> 02:45:47,710
start to string along the years where

3689
02:45:54,280 --> 02:45:52,070
things directly conflict and contradict

3690
02:45:57,460 --> 02:45:54,290
the previous day's interview or

3691
02:46:00,250 --> 02:45:57,470
experience I can't imagine you know what

3692
02:46:02,261 --> 02:46:00,260
I mean and so it for the audience it can

3693
02:46:04,060 --> 02:46:02,271
get a little bit confusing too as well

3694
02:46:04,690 --> 02:46:04,070
it's like who do I believe here who do I

3695
02:46:08,200 --> 02:46:04,700
trust

3696
02:46:11,370 --> 02:46:08,210
well you know what before we start to as

3697
02:46:14,170 --> 02:46:11,380
ourselves start to cut people off or

3698
02:46:16,390 --> 02:46:14,180
surpassing judgment then we're censoring

3699
02:46:18,370 --> 02:46:16,400
ourselves and that's not what we're

3700
02:46:20,410 --> 02:46:18,380
supposed to be doing in our community we

3701
02:46:23,470 --> 02:46:20,420
should be doing the exact opposite you

3702
02:46:26,050 --> 02:46:23,480
know a radio show host you provide the

3703
02:46:30,040 --> 02:46:26,060
platform for diversity right it's not

3704
02:46:31,511 --> 02:46:30,050
just about your personal opinion with it

3705
02:46:33,761 --> 02:46:31,521
isn't that the point

3706
02:46:35,290 --> 02:46:33,771
exactly yeah I mean for me like

3707
02:46:37,120 --> 02:46:35,300
personally I don't attach myself to

3708
02:46:39,700 --> 02:46:37,130
anything I don't belong to any groups or

3709
02:46:41,410 --> 02:46:39,710
communities you know I'm enjoy being

3710
02:46:43,830 --> 02:46:41,420
around people and the community but not

3711
02:46:46,630 --> 02:46:43,840
I'm not a follower like this one

3712
02:46:47,620 --> 02:46:46,640
internet or whistleblower personality

3713
02:46:50,020 --> 02:46:47,630
where people just believe everything

3714
02:46:50,440 --> 02:46:50,030
what he or she says I don't operate like

3715
02:46:53,679 --> 02:46:50,450
this

3716
02:46:55,660 --> 02:46:53,689
now many things that I don't really them

3717
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,670
it whatever I get into their pot I don't

3718
02:47:00,100 --> 02:46:57,680
necessarily agree with and it's not

3719
02:47:03,610 --> 02:47:00,110
because I'm wrong I'm right or wrong

3720
02:47:06,040 --> 02:47:03,620
whatever it's just I if I cannot verify

3721
02:47:07,960 --> 02:47:06,050
for myself or it doesn't align connect

3722
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:07,970
the dots of other research like okay

3723
02:47:11,590 --> 02:47:09,770
maybe I changed my mind latest more

3724
02:47:13,780 --> 02:47:11,600
being flexible like this even with

3725
02:47:15,730 --> 02:47:13,790
myself I don't agree cell sometimes

3726
02:47:18,250 --> 02:47:15,740
looking back okay there are certain

3727
02:47:20,050 --> 02:47:18,260
things I thought were true and put them

3728
02:47:22,780 --> 02:47:20,060
out but now new information has come in

3729
02:47:24,969 --> 02:47:22,790
new experiences so now I've got to let

3730
02:47:27,370 --> 02:47:24,979
this go so I have no problem admitting

3731
02:47:29,770 --> 02:47:27,380
that I was wrong in the past yeah so I

3732
02:47:31,719 --> 02:47:29,780
feel this humility is needed in that

3733
02:47:33,700 --> 02:47:31,729
path or that scene as well a bit we've

3734
02:47:36,969 --> 02:47:33,710
got humble is being able to admit that

3735
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:36,979
one that one was wrong as well every day

3736
02:47:43,960 --> 02:47:40,570
you find out how how little do you know

3737
02:47:47,020 --> 02:47:43,970
how wrong you are I love it and that's

3738
02:47:48,640 --> 02:47:47,030
part of the journey I want to thank you

3739
02:47:51,820 --> 02:47:48,650
so much what a great conversation

3740
02:47:55,410 --> 02:47:51,830
tonight Bernhard and and don't change

3741
02:47:58,300 --> 02:47:55,420
how can everybody get a hold of you

3742
02:48:01,120 --> 02:47:58,310
through my website veil of reality calm

3743
02:48:03,250 --> 02:48:01,130
there's a contact form as well and also

3744
02:48:04,870 --> 02:48:03,260
my personal website which is also linked

3745
02:48:07,810 --> 02:48:04,880
from veil of reality which is my name

3746
02:48:09,550 --> 02:48:07,820
calm Bernhard Gunter calm that website

3747
02:48:11,980 --> 02:48:09,560
is dedicated for my work I do

3748
02:48:15,100 --> 02:48:11,990
integrative body work energy work and

3749
02:48:17,530 --> 02:48:15,110
all of that and also offer holistic

3750
02:48:19,240 --> 02:48:17,540
coaching Skype sessions or in-person for

3751
02:48:22,750 --> 02:48:19,250
people who want to process a bit deeper

3752
02:48:25,480 --> 02:48:22,760
and yeah those two websites Renaud

3753
02:48:28,330 --> 02:48:25,490
Kanter calm or veil of reality calm

3754
02:48:30,690 --> 02:48:28,340
thank you so much now go enjoy the rest

3755
02:48:32,770 --> 02:48:30,700
of your night up in Topanga Canyon

3756
02:48:34,660 --> 02:48:32,780
awesome Jimmy thank you so much I

3757
02:48:39,370 --> 02:48:34,670
enjoyed it great conversation Thank You

3758
02:48:41,860 --> 02:48:39,380
Bernard take a veil of reality dot-com

3759
02:48:44,560 --> 02:48:41,870
or Bernard [\h__\h] third comm links are

3760
02:48:46,810 --> 02:48:44,570
over at Jimmy Church radio.com

3761
02:48:49,480 --> 02:48:46,820
great conversation I could have done

3762
02:48:51,550 --> 02:48:49,490
that all night long we've got to get

3763
02:48:55,030 --> 02:48:51,560
Bernard back here very soon

3764
02:48:57,910 --> 02:48:55,040
and as I wrap up here tonight there's a

3765
02:49:00,490 --> 02:48:57,920
couple of things that I've got to get in

3766
02:49:03,011 --> 02:49:00,500
here that are pretty interesting in that

3767
02:49:06,430 --> 02:49:03,021
category of all of the new

3768
02:49:10,020 --> 02:49:06,440
that you know absolutely nothing about

3769
02:49:12,461 --> 02:49:10,030
and the first thing check this out

3770
02:49:15,640 --> 02:49:12,471
gasoline and diesel prices have

3771
02:49:20,080 --> 02:49:15,650
reportedly jumped in North Korea after

3772
02:49:26,051 --> 02:49:20,090
its largest crude supplier China has

3773
02:49:28,480 --> 02:49:26,061
halted all fuel sales that's right the

3774
02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:28,490
move came as part of the international

3775
02:49:33,640 --> 02:49:31,130
pressure on Pyongyang to curb its

3776
02:49:38,261 --> 02:49:33,650
nuclear and missile programs Chinese

3777
02:49:42,160 --> 02:49:38,271
state-owned oil major CNPC has suspended

3778
02:49:45,700 --> 02:49:42,170
diesel and gasoline sales to North Korea

3779
02:49:47,770 --> 02:49:45,710
the price of gasoline jumped to two

3780
02:49:49,750 --> 02:49:47,780
dollars and ninety two cents per liter

3781
02:49:53,711 --> 02:49:49,760
as of July 5th

3782
02:49:56,290 --> 02:49:53,721
today as July 19th and as you know news

3783
02:49:59,830 --> 02:49:56,300
out of North Korea is a bit tough to get

3784
02:50:05,020 --> 02:49:59,840
but it is up from a dollar it's up a

3785
02:50:09,580 --> 02:50:05,030
dollar 46 per litre since June 21st it

3786
02:50:11,790 --> 02:50:09,590
has doubled in two weeks that is

3787
02:50:14,620 --> 02:50:11,800
absolutely nuts and nobody thought that

3788
02:50:18,700 --> 02:50:14,630
China was going to step in and do

3789
02:50:23,560 --> 02:50:18,710
nothing now as the news of this broke as

3790
02:50:26,910 --> 02:50:23,570
it turns out China stopped selling fuel

3791
02:50:30,070 --> 02:50:26,920
to North Korea two months ago

3792
02:50:33,551 --> 02:50:30,080
was not reported in the mass media in

3793
02:50:36,011 --> 02:50:33,561
the media in general not at all but that

3794
02:50:38,051 --> 02:50:36,021
is now what has happened and this

3795
02:50:42,910 --> 02:50:38,061
announcement about the suspension of

3796
02:50:48,400 --> 02:50:42,920
fuel came from China very interesting

3797
02:50:50,261 --> 02:50:48,410
now huge huge cryptocurrency news has

3798
02:50:55,620 --> 02:50:50,271
been going down over the last couple of

3799
02:51:00,480 --> 02:50:55,630
days and could the end of Bitcoin and

3800
02:51:02,980 --> 02:51:00,490
aetherium be here now check this out

3801
02:51:05,171 --> 02:51:02,990
investors have suffered heavy losses

3802
02:51:07,801 --> 02:51:05,181
following a dramatic drop in the price

3803
02:51:11,970 --> 02:51:07,811
of Bitcoin and in theory in recent days

3804
02:51:15,610 --> 02:51:11,980
Bitcoin fell to around 1,800 dollars an

3805
02:51:16,270 --> 02:51:15,620
ethereal to around 133 dollars

3806
02:51:21,251 --> 02:51:16,280
over

3807
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:21,261
this past weekend dropping 38% and 67%

3808
02:51:28,301 --> 02:51:25,120
off their all-time highs from last week

3809
02:51:30,310 --> 02:51:28,311
Bitcoin in particular suffered heavy

3810
02:51:35,350 --> 02:51:30,320
losses since hitting its hive three

3811
02:51:37,930 --> 02:51:35,360
thousand eighteen dollars On June 12 38

3812
02:51:39,910 --> 02:51:37,940
percent drop the decline appears to be

3813
02:51:42,310 --> 02:51:39,920
part of a wider trend across the market

3814
02:51:44,680 --> 02:51:42,320
with trade publication coin desk

3815
02:51:47,530 --> 02:51:44,690
reporting this past Sunday that the

3816
02:51:51,881 --> 02:51:47,540
worth of all publicly traded digital

3817
02:51:56,110 --> 02:51:51,891
currencies had fallen ten billion

3818
02:52:01,240 --> 02:51:56,120
dollars in 24 hours over this last

3819
02:52:05,171 --> 02:52:01,250
weekend now think about that absolutely

3820
02:52:07,841 --> 02:52:05,181
amazing I remember I'm going to say this

3821
02:52:10,390 --> 02:52:07,851
is about three years ago when I did a

3822
02:52:13,570 --> 02:52:10,400
whole expose on Bitcoin and I talked

3823
02:52:16,180 --> 02:52:13,580
about Bitcoin for about a week and the

3824
02:52:18,341 --> 02:52:16,190
dark web and I got a bunch of email and

3825
02:52:20,620 --> 02:52:18,351
feedback you know you know why why are

3826
02:52:26,051 --> 02:52:20,630
you talking about this and Bitcoin and

3827
02:52:28,211 --> 02:52:26,061
and it's a it is a big deal we're

3828
02:52:29,890 --> 02:52:28,221
talking about a lot of money floating in

3829
02:52:33,370 --> 02:52:29,900
this and the way that the dark web

3830
02:52:35,410 --> 02:52:33,380
operates which and you need to hear me

3831
02:52:37,810 --> 02:52:35,420
that's ninety five percent of the web

3832
02:52:40,270 --> 02:52:37,820
this surface web that we're on right now

3833
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:40,280
is a little sliver of the real web and

3834
02:52:45,940 --> 02:52:43,840
this is what runs that dark underworld

3835
02:52:50,400 --> 02:52:45,950
don't think about that and the

3836
02:52:53,700 --> 02:52:50,410
motivation with with with hacking and

3837
02:52:57,011 --> 02:52:53,710
malware it's all driven by Bitcoin and

3838
02:52:59,501 --> 02:52:57,021
the government influence in on this now

3839
02:53:02,200 --> 02:52:59,511
without the regulation right without the

3840
02:53:05,830 --> 02:53:02,210
feds involved in Bitcoin it is as

3841
02:53:08,501 --> 02:53:05,840
volatile it is not protected it's going

3842
02:53:11,591 --> 02:53:08,511
to continue this news about Bitcoin and

3843
02:53:14,560 --> 02:53:11,601
that money that has disappeared out of

3844
02:53:17,220 --> 02:53:14,570
this market ten billion dollars and 24

3845
02:53:20,381 --> 02:53:17,230
hours you need to think about that now

3846
02:53:22,890 --> 02:53:20,391
breaking news out of Italy new research

3847
02:53:25,930 --> 02:53:22,900
claims that the Shroud of Turin is

3848
02:53:28,330 --> 02:53:25,940
stained with the blood of a torture

3849
02:53:30,229 --> 02:53:28,340
victim supporting the theory that it was

3850
02:53:33,830 --> 02:53:30,239
used to bury Jesus

3851
02:53:36,349 --> 02:53:33,840
the Shroud of Turin in in a linen cloth

3852
02:53:38,330 --> 02:53:36,359
which is three meters in length that

3853
02:53:40,340 --> 02:53:38,340
bears the image of a man some believed

3854
02:53:42,559 --> 02:53:40,350
to be Jesus Christ the cloth is thought

3855
02:53:45,469 --> 02:53:42,569
by many to have been used to wrap

3856
02:53:47,170 --> 02:53:45,479
Christ's body after his crucifixion the

3857
02:53:49,550 --> 02:53:47,180
new research carried out by various

3858
02:53:51,830 --> 02:53:49,560
institution under Italy's National

3859
02:53:54,880 --> 02:53:51,840
Research Council and published in the

3860
02:53:58,040 --> 02:53:54,890
u.s. a scientific journal PLoS ONE

3861
02:54:01,700 --> 02:53:58,050
contradicts the theory that Jesus face

3862
02:54:06,349 --> 02:54:01,710
was painted onto the cloth by forgers in

3863
02:54:07,880 --> 02:54:06,359
medieval times LVO Carlino who led the

3864
02:54:11,059 --> 02:54:07,890
research at the institute of

3865
02:54:14,120 --> 02:54:11,069
crystallography and bari italy says that

3866
02:54:17,380 --> 02:54:14,130
the cloth contains nanoparticles of

3867
02:54:20,110 --> 02:54:17,390
creatin created and bounded with small

3868
02:54:23,990 --> 02:54:20,120
nanoparticles of iron oxide which

3869
02:54:29,620 --> 02:54:24,000
indicate blood and severe trauma

3870
02:54:33,439 --> 02:54:29,630
rather than paint very interesting now

3871
02:54:37,189 --> 02:54:33,449
scientists at the Instituto of astro

3872
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:37,199
fist iike death ken arias a research

3873
02:54:42,349 --> 02:54:39,680
institute in the canary islands just

3874
02:54:45,380 --> 02:54:42,359
discovered one of the brightest galaxies

3875
02:54:48,050 --> 02:54:45,390
we've ever come across it's around a

3876
02:54:50,540 --> 02:54:48,060
thousand times brighter than our galaxy

3877
02:54:53,990 --> 02:54:50,550
has a very high rate of star formation

3878
02:54:57,380 --> 02:54:54,000
and is ten thousand million light years

3879
02:55:00,110 --> 02:54:57,390
away the researchers found the galaxy

3880
02:55:02,750 --> 02:55:00,120
using gravitational lensing effect where

3881
02:55:06,050 --> 02:55:02,760
in really massive objects in space like

3882
02:55:08,360 --> 02:55:06,060
galaxies or galaxy clusters warp and

3883
02:55:10,969 --> 02:55:08,370
enhance the light of smaller objects

3884
02:55:13,460 --> 02:55:10,979
nearby this phenomenon has helped

3885
02:55:16,670 --> 02:55:13,470
researchers track down exoplanets black

3886
02:55:19,309 --> 02:55:16,680
holes and unexpected galaxy types this

3887
02:55:21,979 --> 02:55:19,319
discovery which was recently published

3888
02:55:24,559 --> 02:55:21,989
in the Astrophysical Journal Letters was

3889
02:55:27,620 --> 02:55:24,569
made possible by a galaxy cluster that

3890
02:55:31,490 --> 02:55:27,630
lies in between us and the newly

3891
02:55:33,800 --> 02:55:31,500
observed bright galaxies the daughter of

3892
02:55:36,920 --> 02:55:33,810
a couple who disappeared in the Swiss

3893
02:55:38,990 --> 02:55:36,930
Alps more than 70 years ago has said the

3894
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:39,000
discovery of two bodies emerging from a

3895
02:55:43,429 --> 02:55:41,520
melting glacier has brought her a deep

3896
02:55:47,939 --> 02:55:43,439
sense of calm after

3897
02:55:51,870 --> 02:55:47,949
being away so long without an answer her

3898
02:55:54,750 --> 02:55:51,880
name a Marceline Audrey do M'Lynn she's

3899
02:55:57,960 --> 02:55:54,760
now 79 years old told the lomatin

3900
02:56:00,090 --> 02:55:57,970
newspaper of luzon Switzerland that she

3901
02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:00,100
and her siblings spent our whole lives

3902
02:56:04,979 --> 02:56:03,010
looking for them without stopping we

3903
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:04,989
thought that we could give them the

3904
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:07,840
funeral they deserved one day

3905
02:56:13,290 --> 02:56:10,479
well she's the youngest of seven

3906
02:56:16,439 --> 02:56:13,300
children born to Marceline and Francine

3907
02:56:18,540 --> 02:56:16,449
do M'Lynn the couple went to milk their

3908
02:56:22,429 --> 02:56:18,550
cows on a meadow above their home in

3909
02:56:27,059 --> 02:56:22,439
Switzerland's can't on on August 15th

3910
02:56:29,519 --> 02:56:27,069
1942 and never came home the regional

3911
02:56:31,530 --> 02:56:29,529
police force told the local media the

3912
02:56:35,070 --> 02:56:31,540
bodies were discovered last week near a

3913
02:56:38,820 --> 02:56:35,080
ski lift on a glacier by a worker for an

3914
02:56:41,760 --> 02:56:38,830
adventure resort company absolutely

3915
02:56:43,469 --> 02:56:41,770
great a story so there you go there's

3916
02:56:46,229 --> 02:56:43,479
all of the news that you know absolutely

3917
02:56:48,899 --> 02:56:46,239
nothing about tomorrow night is another

3918
02:56:51,300 --> 02:56:48,909
Fator night with Jon Rappoport and is no

3919
02:56:53,939 --> 02:56:51,310
more fake newsroom live followed by open

3920
02:56:57,030 --> 02:56:53,949
lines last week we had one of the most

3921
02:56:57,809 --> 02:56:57,040
phenomenal fader nights ever in the

3922
02:57:01,349 --> 02:56:57,819
history of the show

3923
02:57:04,229 --> 02:57:01,359
and tomorrow night as always I'm so

3924
02:57:06,120 --> 02:57:04,239
excited to just sit down with all of you

3925
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:06,130
on the Thursday night so get ready for

3926
02:57:12,750 --> 02:57:09,760
that and I may have something else

3927
02:57:14,219 --> 02:57:12,760
somebody else to open the show with

3928
02:57:16,830 --> 02:57:14,229
tomorrow night more on that tomorrow

3929
02:57:18,990 --> 02:57:16,840
bata blacks executive producers Rita

3930
02:57:21,689 --> 02:57:19,000
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3931
02:57:23,969 --> 02:57:21,699
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3932
02:57:26,250 --> 02:57:23,979
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3933
02:57:28,830 --> 02:57:26,260
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3934
02:57:30,899 --> 02:57:28,840
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3935
02:57:34,170 --> 02:57:30,909
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3936
02:57:36,420 --> 02:57:34,180
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02:57:39,269 --> 02:57:36,430
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3947
02:58:01,280 --> 02:57:59,130
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3948
02:58:08,530 --> 02:58:01,290
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